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Originally Posted by Cwood24
A #20 rating is overrating Michigan? Really? I thought the #4 rating they got prior to 2005 was being overrated, but #20? I think 20 is a fair spot to put Michigan, considering how much they return and the coaching changes that were made for the better IMO. You can move them lower I guess, but not out of the Top 25. Are there really 25 programs out there better than Michigan? I don't think so. There is just no way they go 7-5 again. Only way that'd happen is if they had an even worse injury situation in 2006. They built some quality depth in 2005 with so many young players getting experience, and they only lose 4 guys on offense (Tim Massaqoui, Adam Stenavich, Jason Avant, Matt Lentz) and 4 guys on defense (Pierre Woods, Grant Mason, Pat Massey, Gabe Watson). When you look at some of those player losses to graduation, I don't know if you can even call them losses (*cough*Pat Massey*cough*).
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I was being facetious. 
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27
Playing at home.
Here's his full list:
1. Ohio State
2. LSU
3. West Virginia
4. Auburn
5. Notre Dame
6. Oklahoma
7. Texas
8. USC
9. Florida
10. Georgia
11. Oregon
12. Virginia Tech
13. Iowa
14. Boston College
15. Louisville
16. California
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18. TCU
19. Penn State
20. Michigan
21. Miami
22. Nebraska
23. Florida State
24. Georgia Tech
25. UCLA
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Alabama
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Fresno State
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas Tech
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Wisconsin
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Never, ever put Clemson in the preseason top 25 with Tommy Bowden as your coach. Clemson is very unreliable. I expect 3 losses within the first 5 games and then finishing strong to repeat the cycle of preseason hype. Clemson has some talent though but lost their starting quarterback for the last 4 years. Georgia Tech isn't a safe bet either. Penn St. probably shouldn't be ranked now that their average age dropped from 30 to 19.  |
03-22-2006, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by buckeyeboy
In short, they were similar in total yards (2893 for Smith, 2928 for VY), Touchdowns (27 for Smith, 26 for VY), but Smith turned the ball over much less often (4 Int Smith, 11 Int for VY). I'm not trying to take anything away from VY b/c he had a ridiculous year; but I think that to totally dismiss the argument that Smith can have a similar final season is not very wise.
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That's not including fumbles. Troy had a truckload of fumbles at the beginning of the season. |
03-22-2006, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeKid789
That's not including fumbles. Troy had a truckload of fumbles at the beginning of the season.
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Maybe, but I highly doubt that we lost 7 more fumbles by Smith than UT lost fumbles by VY in '04 that would make up the INT discrepancy.
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03-23-2006, 01:31 AM
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Maybe, but I highly doubt that we lost 7 more fumbles by Smith than UT lost fumbles by VY in '04 that would make up the INT discrepancy.
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I'm not saying it would but it would make the gap a lot smaller. |
03-23-2006, 04:02 AM
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I'm not saying it would but it would make the gap a lot smaller.
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Not when you add in Vince's fumbles. Troy's turnover margin is much better than Vince's. |
03-23-2006, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeKid789
I'm not saying it would but it would make the gap a lot smaller.
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I doubt that. I've checked ESPN, NCAA, and even some Texas sites and for some reason can't find any official fumble statistics for Vince Young, but I imagine it wouldn't be comparitively pretty. Remember, VY's nickname before the 2005 season was "Fumbles McScrambles." He was dogged pretty heavily after the 2004 Red River Shootout when he fumbled twice in Oklahoma territory and took two sacks that likely cost UT two FGs, which loomed large with the clock winding down in their 12-0 loss to the Sooners. The 2003 RRS was the blowout when OU pasted UT 65-13, in that game Young threw an INT which lead to a TD in the 1st, fumbled which lead to a FG, then followed that by throwing a pick-6.
VY had the 2003 RRS, TS had 2004 @Purdue.
I think at the respective point in their careers, the YPC stats favor VY, the TD/Fumble stats are a push, while Troy gets the edge in Pass Eff. and TD:INT ratio. IMO, Troy's barrier to posting VY-like numbers will hinge on the schedule and the defense.
Can a rebuilt OSU D get TS the ball back?
Are there any defenses in the Big-10 as bad as Baylor, Kansas, or Colorado (which Texas played twice), which allowed VY to rack up a string of 250+ and even 350+ yard games?
The answer to both, I think, is no. I just don't imagine JT allowing TS to sling the ball all over the field like he did against ND. Remember, the ND performance was a result of the gameplan to exploit the ND secondary. TS didn't just decide on his own to go out there and throw bombs all night.
What is odd about VY's numbers is that they really weren't that great against the patsies like UL-Lafayette and Rice. VY could've easily added another 300 - 400 yards if he'd played beyond the half in either of those games.
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03-23-2006, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeKid789
I'm not saying it would but it would make the gap a lot smaller.
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You keep making these sweeping claims. Where are the numbers?
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03-23-2006, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by buckeyeboy
Where are the numbers?
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I couldn't find the numbers broken down by player, which is what we're really looking for, but here are the team stats:
2005 OSU - 30 fumbles, 16 lost
2004 Texas - 23 fumbles, 7 lost |
03-23-2006, 11:21 AM
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I couldn't find the numbers broken down by player, which is what we're really looking for, but here are the team stats:
2005 OSU - 30 fumbles, 16 lost
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