In defense of Tressel

kn1f3party · #1 (**permalink**) 10-10-2004, 09:07 PM

I'm not going to follow suit and repeat his record. But the truth is, in 2002, Ohio State was the most improved team in Division 1-A football. That has less to do with winning a National Championship than the overall record. I will agree that the team seems to be regressing. But, I'm extremely confident Tressel will turn this around. In 2002, we had some outstanding players. We also had mediocre players that made amazing plays. Don't forget how prepared Ohio State was going up against the Canes. They were a juggernaut at the time and Ohio State was clearly the better team. That is great coaching. A very small fraction of that can be attributed to Cooper players, but Tressel has continued the tradition of snagging outstanding talent. Give our guys a break, they'll figure this out. Don't scare away bluechips with pessimism. We have to have confidence in this team. I'm certain a large portion of you weren't criticising Tressel until last year.

scooter1369 · #2 (**permalink**) 10-10-2004, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by scarletflag

I'm not going to follow suit and repeat his record. But the truth is, in 2002, Ohio State was the most improved team in Division 1-A football. That has less to do with winning a National Championship than the overall record. I will agree that the team seems to be regressing. But, I'm extremely confident Tressel will turn this around. In 2002, we had some outstanding players. We also had mediocre players that made amazing plays. Don't forget how prepared Ohio State was going up against the Canes. They were a juggernaut at the time and Ohio State was clearly the better team. That is great coaching. A very small fraction of that can be attributed to Cooper players, but Tressel has continued the tradition of snagging outstanding talent. Give our guys a break, they'll figure this out. Don't scare away bluechips with pessimism. We have to have confidence in this team. I'm certain a large portion of you weren't criticising Tressel until last year.

I agree. Tressel will right the ship by throwing Bollman's fat ass overboard.

VprHis · #3 (**permalink**) 10-10-2004, 11:18 PM

Too much ballast in the bilges?

StoRMinBrutus · #4 (**permalink**) 10-10-2004, 11:20 PM

Wow he'd make a big splash going off the plank ....

tibor75 · #5 (**permalink**) 10-10-2004, 11:21 PM

hopefully he can't swim either.

scooter1369 · #6 (**permalink**) 10-10-2004, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tibor75

hopefully he can't swim either.

With his natural boyancy, he doesn't need to. His hair might not even get wet. But maybe we can arrange to have a bloody animal tied to his neck.

MililaniBuckeye · #7 (**permalink**) 10-10-2004, 11:27 PM

After Tressel led YSU to the playoffs in five straight seasons (1990-1994), including four straight national title games and three national titles, his team nose-dived to a 3-8 record in 1995, which included the following blowout losses:

Stephen F. Austin (27-0)
McNeese St. (31-3)
Delaware (34-13)
Central Michigan (46-25)
Illinois St. (30-13)

The next year, they barely missed the playoffs (8-3, and actually should have been selected for the playoffs), and in 1997 they won the national title again with a record of 13-2. Then, they again dropped off to a 6-5 record in 1998 only to rebound with a 12-3 record and a national title game appearance. No I-AA team has ever had six national title game appearances in either the same decade or nine-year span. No one. And, the Youngstown State Penguins are universally recognized as the I-AA Team of the Decade for the 1990s, despite those 3-8 and 6-5 years.

No one is more [censored]ed off at the fact we lost at Northwestern (witness my full bottle of Kirin being thrown against the side of my neighbor's garage) and that we lost to that punk-assed white trash cheese school on our home field (witness the hundreds of pieces of my watch I swept up from my garage floor). But, as Brett Musburger so emphatically put it near the end of the game yesterday, this is a young team that is learning, and they will be much, much better down the road. I can see us going 7-4, maybe even 6-5 this year, but I know we'll be the kind of team next year like we were in 2002, and that we come out of no where off of a mediocre-at-best season to shock everyone. We aren't going to go 11-2 or 12-1 every year...there is simply too much parity in the conference and in I-A football in general. This is why a storied program like Michigan--the winningest of all time--losses three games or more nearly every year.

BuckeyeNation27 · #8 (**permalink**) 10-10-2004, 11:27 PM

ok...heres the question i need answered. we clearly gave up any hopes of winning in the last couple minutes. i dont know about you guys, but my stupid ABC channel switched to watch USC take a knee and never switched back. so my questions are....did smith get in at the end? if not, why the [censored] not?

i understand zwick is the starter and has earned his spot.....im a zwick supporter. but at that point in the game....why not put him in there and let him show you something? zwick obviously wasnt working.

anyway....im know the major problem is with the Oline...i just think smith shoulve gotten in when it was obvious that A: we gave up and B: zwick was having a bad game.

tibor75 · #9 (**permalink**) 10-10-2004, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

ok...heres the question i need answered. we clearly gave up any hopes of winning in the last couple minutes. i dont know about you guys, but my stupid ABC channel switched to watch USC take a knee and never switched back. so my questions are....did smith get in at the end? if not, why the [censored] not?

i understand zwick is the starter and has earned his spot.....im a zwick supporter. but at that point in the game....why not put him in there and let him show you something? zwick obviously wasnt working.

anyway....im know the major problem is with the Oline...i just think smith shoulve gotten in when it was obvious that A: we gave up and B: zwick was having a bad game.

Smith didn't get in. Zwick completed a couple of passes in the last minute to go over 100 yards passing on the day....

Penguin-BUCK · #10 (**permalink**) 10-10-2004, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by scarletflag

I'm not going to follow suit and repeat his record. But the truth is, in 2002, Ohio State was the most improved team in Division 1-A football. That has less to do with winning a National Championship than the overall record. I will agree that the team seems to be regressing. But, I'm extremely confident Tressel will turn this around. In 2002, we had some outstanding players. We also had mediocre players that made amazing plays. Don't forget how prepared Ohio State was going up against the Canes. They were a juggernaut at the time and Ohio State was clearly the better team. That is great coaching. A very small fraction of that can be attributed to Cooper players, but Tressel has continued the tradition of snagging outstanding talent. Give our guys a break, they'll figure this out. Don't scare away bluechips with pessimism. We have to have confidence in this team. I'm certain a large portion of you weren't criticising Tressel until last year.

good one I agree, get off JT's but. NO ONE knows better than he PERIOD.

VprHis · #11 (**permalink**) 10-10-2004, 11:39 PM

Good point. The problem is, we need Smith to get quality minutes, with the D out for blood, to get a good idea of what he can do. Or for JZ to see things from the sideline and maybe gain some perspective. Garbage time is better than no time, i guess.

I'd like Smith to see the field, I think he needs that experience whether or not he could supplant JZ as starter. We need a backup who's 'seen the elephant.' I'm no expert, I've never claimed to be. I can only believe that the staff wants JZ to get as many reps as possible/doesn't want to rick mucking up the fragile team chemistry(what there is of it--and I think it's kind of a weak argument)/TS REALLY stepped out of line and is Currently rooming with Snoopy on top of the doghouse.

NOt to change the topic, but think how different this situation will be in the next couple years... JZ, TS (maybe) Boeckman as a RS frosh (but with 2 years in cols), Shoenhoft most likely taking the 'shirt, along with (Frosh to be named later).

Or the year after, with JZ, TS, Boeckman, Schoenhoft, (other), and hopefully a certain hartline and a certain schlicter (or frosh to be named later) That's a potential 4 or 5 Elite 11 QB's on the roster (asuming we land one or two in '06). Scaaaaary

Penguin-BUCK · #12 (**permalink**) 10-10-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tibor75

Smith didn't get in. Zwick completed a couple of passes in the last minute to go over 100 yards passing on the day....

lOOK, SMITH did not get in because he will not confuse these players any longer.
Its swick and thatsIT!! ,UNTIL HE SCREWS UP REALLY BAD. tHIS WAS BAD I agree but they te players have confidence in swick over smith. let it be already!!!

scooter1369 · #13 (**permalink**) 10-10-2004, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguin-BUCK

lOOK, SMITH did not get in because he will not confuse these players any longer.
Its swick and thatsIT!! ,UNTIL HE SCREWS UP REALLY BAD. tHIS WAS BAD I agree but they te players have confidence in swick over smith. let it be already!!!

Valium, dawg. Valium.