Some BCS facts for your SEC friends

[Jaxbuck]

First post is updated with AP rankings and some commentary.

Feel free to check me and if it all looks good maybe we can do a little BP viral marketing for the B10.

I'm sick of this SEC [censored].

[sandgk]

Originally Posted by Jaxbuck

I'm sick of this SEC [censored].

Amen -

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by Jaxbuck

First post is updated with AP rankings and some commentary.

Feel free to check me and if it all looks good maybe we can do a little BP viral marketing for the B10.

I'm sick of this SEC [censored].

Get used to disappointment

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by Jaxbuck

So again its pretty even.

As the higher seed: B10 5-4
As the lower seed: B10 2-3
Same: B10 6-4

What I found interesting was my theory was shot to hell. We have been equal or higher seeded 19 times. We have only put a lower B10 team against a higher SEC team 5 times.

Good stuff you guys worked up. But all due respect, I think that the SEC is a better conference top to bottom than the Big !0. At both of our tops though, I don't think that there is any difference, and your stats bear that out. Just my opinion.

[DaddyBigBucks]

The SEC's best argument is the number of teams they have that are legit National Championship contenders at least once in a while. They have 5 teams (Alabama, LSU, UGA, FL, TN) that have won NCs in my lifetime, and a 6th that went undefeated (Auburn). A 7th team, Arkansas, though not in the SEC at the time, did compete for an NC during my lifetime.

The Big 10 on the other hand has only 3 teams that have won NCs in my lifetime. (OSU, uknowho, PSU) The only other Big 10 team that I recall having had a #1 ranking was Iowa, and that dream ended in the month of October (nevermind the way they embarrassed the conference in the Rose Bowl).

EDIT: alrighty then - just finished my first cup of coffee and now remember that OSU, in addition to ending Iowa's stay at #1 in 1985, also toppled Wisconsin and Purdue from the top-perch back in the 60s (yes, in my lifetime). Now that I think of it, Illinois was ranked #1 at some point during Dick Butkus' time there. None of these teams have competed for a NC all the way to the end of the season at any time in the last 40 years though. Damn I'm getting old.

But to suggest that all 7 (OK, 6 really) of the SEC's potential title contenders are at that level every year flies in the face of the facts. While Iowa, Wisconsin and several other Big 10 teams are not actual title contenders (or at least haven't been), they have matched up quite well with the SEC teams they've faced in the years that they faced them.

So while the SEC has more programs that have NC potential according to the historical record, their collective power in any given year has not proven to exceed that of the Big 10.

[Dryden]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Good stuff you guys worked up. But all due respect, I think that the SEC is a better conference top to bottom than the Big !0. At both of our tops though, I don't think that there is any difference, and your stats bear that out. Just my opinion.

The SEC, right now, is a better conference top to middle, as there are more consistent Top-25 performers (at least six or seven different teams, right now), but please don't say top to bottom. I think that's giving Mississippi and Mississippi St too much credit.

The SEC's bottom is just as embarrassing a doormat as anyone elses'.

[Jaxbuck]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Good stuff you guys worked up. But all due respect, I think that the SEC is a better conference top to bottom than the Big 10. At both of our tops though, I don't think that there is any difference, and your stats bear that out. Just my opinion.

That is what I have been saying for years. You will get absolutely no argument from me that the bottom dwelling B10 teams aren't as good as the bottom SEC teams. Their is no head to head dominance is my only point, the bottom dwellers never meet in a Bowl and who really cares if the Mississippi schools are better than IU or Purdue?

My contention has always been that its a cyclical thing but the SEC and B10 are year in year out, consistently the top 2 football conferences in America.

When I say I'm sick of this SEC [censored], its not the SEC, its the media hype constantly spewing information thats just patently false. Just like the war I am constantly waging in baseball when "old school" morons like Marty Brennaman run around spewing patently false info..but I digress.

I've lived down here a long time and have a lot of respect for SEC football and some of its fan base. Hell I enjoy watching most SEC games, its good football. The first year I lived down south I was in GA and did an SEC tour with a buddy of mine that was a UGA fan. That was a very cool experience getting to see all the different SEC venues. From that, I will never even attempt to argue the overall lead the SEC has in "talent" if you know what I mean.

I just don't like what I see from a lot of people down here, in that they want to use the Gators recent sucess as validation of themselves. Its not a feeling of "hey my team just had an historic run of athletic success, I'm really going to bask in the glow" its a very ugly vibe of "your team sucks, your conference sucks now let me make a complete ass of myself to try and insult you further." Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of the first one but far too much of the second to just say "every fan base has its jerks."

What I usually say if there is even a chance for civil conversation is; congratulations on your success, its well deserved but I didn't stop being an OSU fan because we lost just like I'm sure you didn't stop being a Gator fan when they have lost big games in the past. For all the other SEC types, there is only 1 school in America that has bragging rights over OSU right now and thats UF, everyone else can have a nice cool refreshing cup of shut the [censored] up untill they at least play for the NC in both sports in the same year.

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by Dryden

The SEC, right now, is a better conference top to middle, as there are more consistent Top-25 performers (at least six or seven different teams, right now), but please don't say top to bottom. I think that's giving Mississippi and Mississippi St too much credit.

The SEC's bottom is just as embarrassing a doormat as anyone elses'.

Hey now! Don't forget the magnificant venue that is Starkesville

[DaddyBigBucks]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Hey now! Don't forget the magnificant venue that is Starkesville

That's enough sarcasm from you! It was a loss there that cost Zook his job at Florida, so I think you owe them some respect!







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I'm sorry, did I forget the sarcasm font?

[Steve19]

I think that the SEC currently is the strongest conference. However, these things run in cycles and these days will come to an end.

Illustrative point for SEC fans: Watch Weis eating humble pie. Your day will come.

[goodguy]

w ---- 2006 ---- Penn State ---- 4 ---- Tennessee ---- 5
w ---- 2006 ---- Wisconsin ---- 3 ---- Arkansas ---- 3
l ---- 2006 ---- Ohio State ---- 1 ---- Florida ---- 1


I've point out or have observed others point out to SEC fan that Arkansas (the second best SEC team) and Tennessee both lost to Big Ten teams. Same response is given "yeah....but........SEC blah blah...... " But what about Wisconsin and Penn State beating SEC teams. "yeah...... but......SEC blah blah...top to bottom blah blah....

If your top teams are 1-2 against the Big Ten, how are you better TOP to bottom? hmmmm

[Muck]

Originally Posted by Jaxbuck

That is what I have been saying for years. You will get absolutely no argument from me that the bottom dwelling B10 teams aren't as good as the bottom SEC teams.

Indiana vs Kentucky all time:

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[SparkyOSU]

SI.com - Writers - College Football Mailbag (cont.) - Wednesday September 5, 2007 2:56PM



Remeber to read sarcrasm in his response to this question:

I am so tired of hearing SEC fans say that "the second-best Pac-10 team beat the fourth-best SEC team" when Cal beat Tennessee. Is that all they got?
--Joe, Sacramento

Stewart's answer???? Just read it!!!!OH MY!!!!

[DaddyBigBucks]

Originally Posted by SparkyOSU

SI.com - Writers - College Football Mailbag (cont.) - Wednesday September 5, 2007 2:56PM



Remeber to read sarcrasm in his response to this question:

Stewart's answer???? Just read it!!!!OH MY!!!!

Stewart seems to have spilled his Kool-Aid.

[Muck]

Originally Posted by SparkyOSU

Stewart's answer???? Just read it!!!!OH MY!!!!

I now want to have Mandel's love child.