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Are we talking historical or the lifetime of the current players, or the BCS era here?
Only the former is a Big-10 edge. The latter two favor Kentucky. And as much as I appreciate tradition (Brown has more MNCs than UF) I tend to rank the recent more important as the past. I mean, we're talking now, are we not, or at least since the fifth year seniors first came to school? I hear ya Muck, but are leather helmet games between Kentucky and Indiana really relevant to the current conference strength? I wish we could reserve one game a year for two years, with a start date five years away, and have a Big-10/SEC Conference match up from top to bottom, based upon the prior year's standings. A true home and home between the two full conferences. What a great thing that would be, and the fans (me anyway) would go nuts!! We'd get a chance to visit some great venues, and to see matchups we never get to see. They could make an "UN-Civil War" TV package for ESPN, showing and replaying all the games. And then after the yelling subsided, we'd all await the next year's revenge at our stadium. Sweet Jesus, I'd love it. ![]() |
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Indiana is traditionally the only 'sure thing' for the heavyweights, and that appeared to begin changing when Terry Hoeppner (RIP) took over. Cam Cameron and Gerry DiNardo made a real mess of that program. When Hoep took over in 2005, Indiana didn't even have 85 scholarship players, despite having 85 scholarships to give. It wasn't like they were on probation or anything. That situation was an absolute train wreck. I think there are some good coaches at some of these programs now that will balance the conference a little further in the next three to four years. Zook will undoubtedly have Illinois loaded for next season, it's a question of whether or not he can do anything with it (I'm sure you appreciate and understand that). Mark Dantonio instantly gives Michigan State credibility as well.As for the top, I would put Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Penn State against any other conferences' Top 3 any day. I have no comment on Michigan or Iowa at this time. ![]() Last edited by Dryden; 09-06-2007 at 03:28 PM. |
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and I quote...
"USC beats Auburn 23-0 in 2003? That wasn't one of Auburn's better teams. Auburn goes 12-0 the next year and gets left out of the BCS title game? A crime against humanity" So if tOSU runs the table (and I mean +10 points vs Wisc, Mich, Purdue & Penn) and we get left out of the title game.... would that be a crime against humanity too? --- this guys a [censored]tard. |
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Here's the link from above cut and pasted. I absolutely love this response. The SEC is by far the most myopic conference in the country. The war has been over for years yu'all, how bout learning about the rest the country. There's a great big world out there try looking.
I am so tired of hearing SEC fans say that "the second-best Pac-10 team beat the fourth-best SEC team" when Cal beat Tennessee. Is that all they got? --Joe, Sacramento Joe, Joe, Joe. So blissfully na?ve. If there's two things I've learned during my time on this beat, it's that the SEC is positively, indisputably the greatest conference in the history of mankind, and little things like logic, facts and common sense have no bearing whatsoever on this distinction. Tennessee beats Cal last year? Yet another feather in the SEC's cap. Cal beats Tennessee this year? Completely irrelevant. USC beats Auburn 23-0 in 2003? That wasn't one of Auburn's better teams. Auburn goes 12-0 the next year and gets left out of the BCS title game? A crime against humanity, seeing as the Tigers obviously would have beaten the Trojans. Big East champion Louisville comes within an offsides call of edging SEC champ Florida out of last year's BCS title game? Exhibit A why the whole system needs to be blown up. The fact that Big East champion West Virginia beat SEC champion Georgia in the Sugar Bowl just a year earlier? Eh -- the Dawgs weren't up for that game. Les Miles calls out USC's "soft" Pac-10 schedule? Well ... duh. But wouldn't that make SEC divisional champion Arkansas -- whom the Trojans beat 50-14 just a year earlier -- even softer? No, because Darren McFadden wasn't healthy, and he's obviously capable of producing 36 points on his own. Florida beating Ohio State like a rented mule in last year's title game? Indisputable confirmation that the Big Ten can't hold a candle to the SEC. The fact SEC teams lost their other two bowl games against Big Ten foes? Never happened. So basically, Joe, I wouldn't waste your time with one of those futile debates. Just accept the SEC's eternal superiority for what it is and we can all go back to watching The Pick-Up Artist in peace. |
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funny, for somebody as sarcastic as I..... Its hard to translate in text.
not to mention I was drinking; therefore I plead not guility. |
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If it helped one guy in one argument it was well worth the time it took to put it all together. I'm not going to say [censored] the SEC, I say [censored] stupid people no matter their conference affiliation. |
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More Ammo vs. the SEC
I made the following post in response to an SEC poster on a Porsche forum that I frequent. Just more info for ya'll against those that rail against the Big 10. Apologies for any poor formatting.
Now let's look at an evaluation of talent by the NFL over time. The first round draft choices by schools. This information was gleaned from www.drafthistory.com. There's some interesting information here. No SEC team. has had over 40 NFL first round draft choices. So much for having more talent than everyone else. Secondly, a look at the first round choices by school and year shows the demise of Notre Dame and the down years that Oklahoma, Nebraska and others have endured. There is a direct correllation to record, rankings and the absence of (or plethora of) NFL first round draft choices. Here's the list. My apologies if I missed any elite programs (don't think I did) or if your favorite school was omitted from my list. USC 67 NFL first round draft choices Ohio State 63 NFL first round draft choices Miami Florida 60 NFL first round draft choices Notre Dame 59 NFL first round draft choices Texas 40 NFL first round draft choices Oklahoma 39 NFL first round draft choices Michigan 38 NFL first round draft choices Florida 38 NFL first round draft choices Tennessee 37 NFL first round draft choices Alabama 36 NFL first round draft choices Penn State 34 NFL first round draft choices FSU 33 NFL first round draft choices Nebraska 32 NFL first round draft choices Michigan State 31 NFL first round draft choices LSU 30 NFL first round draft choices UCLA 29 NFL first round draft choices Georgia 25 NFL first round draft choices Auburn 24 NFL first round draft choices I think the numbers speak for themselves here. I also did first round choices since 1990 for these schools. A couple of interesting things here. Florida State football really didn?t exist prior to Bobby Bowden. 26 of FSU?s 33 first round choices came since 1990. Miami, Fl on the other hand has produced 36 of their 60 first rounders since 1990. They have a better history of producing NFL talent than FSU. The numbers break down as follows: Miami, FL 36 since 1990 Ohio State 28 since 1990 FSU 26 since 1990 Tennessee 20 since 1990 USC 19 since 1990 Florida 17 since 1990 Texas 17 since 1990 Penn State 16 since 1990 Michigan 16 since 1990 Georgia 14 since 1990 *Notre Dame 13 since 1990 LSU 12 since 1990 Nebraska 10 since 1990 UCLA 10 since 1990 Oklahoma 9 since 1990 Auburn 9 since 1990 Michigan State 8 since 1990 Alabama 8 since 1990 *Notre Dame has 4 first round draft choices since 1994. A severe drop in talent. Again, the numbers speak for themselves. There are a few schools that clearly produce more NFL first rounders over time and in recent history. |
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I believe you are wrong about some of the numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought when the Colts picked Gonzo it moved the Buckeyes into the #1 spot for all time 1st round draft picks.
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