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10-23-2007, 05:45 PM
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Interesting. This information is correct ... and NOT correct depending on how you view the records. The link lists the all time record of BigTen vs SEC teams regardless of their historical conference affiliation.
Without doing the math, I believe the SEC has a better record vs the B10 when accounting for conference affiliation at the time of games played.
For instance, Michigan's sterling 19-5-1 record? 9 of those victories (and 1 loss) came against Vanderbilt before the SEC was even formed (1933). 1-1-0 vs So. Carolina, before they were SEC members. 1-0-0 vs Kentucky? 1908.
I think Indiana has some history with Kentucky before the SEC was formed as well. The point? Don't just throw out some numbers without knowing the story behind them. Might come back to bite you when an SEC fan points out the obvious flaw in the records argument.
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10-23-2007, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dryden
... Because of that, I would be interested to see the data adjusted to account for only the past 14 years. By going back further the Big Ten inherits Penn State's glory days, which are almost all before they ever joined the Big Ten in 1993. The 12-team SEC also was formed in 1992, though the addition of South Carolina and Arkansas hasn't brought in much in this time frame.
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Good that you asked for this, as I discovered that the data I used yesterday conflated the historical and post '90 numbers.
I'll go back and correct the numbers after getting the COUNTIF() data on >90 and >94 1st rounders.
Then I'll put the spreadsheet into some type of holding cell as an upload - at least it will be available for general review and updating.
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10-23-2007, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 3yardsandacloud
Interesting. This information is correct ... and NOT correct depending on how you view the records. The link lists the all time record of BigTen vs SEC teams regardless of their historical conference affiliation.
Without doing the math, I believe the SEC has a better record vs the B10 when accounting for conference affiliation at the time of games played.
For instance, Michigan's sterling 19-5-1 record? 9 of those victories (and 1 loss) came against Vanderbilt before the SEC was even formed (1933). 1-1-0 vs So. Carolina, before they were SEC members. 1-0-0 vs Kentucky? 1908.
I think Indiana has some history with Kentucky before the SEC was formed as well. The point? Don't just throw out some numbers without knowing the story behind them. Might come back to bite you when an SEC fan points out the obvious flaw in the records argument.
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Honestly, the tops are equals, with the depth of the SEC a little deeper. This January aside, it is clear to me that we are competitive. Recent Iowa games with UF and a loss to Michigan State demonstrated that. One more thing to argue about I suppose, but to say that you are better or we are better is meaningless sans a top to bottom head and head. That would be great for the fans, but it will never happen.
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10-23-2007, 06:01 PM
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 And in dog years, we have a seven year dominance over the Big 10....  |
Ummm, Mr. Skippy your conference was 1-2 against the Big 10 last year in bowl games so there was no "dominance" by your conference. |
10-23-2007, 06:11 PM
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10-23-2007, 06:15 PM
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Ummm, Mr. Skippy your conference was 1-2 against the Big 10 last year in bowl games so there was no "dominance" by your conference.
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I'm terribly sorry, but the Dog Year officially starts the last game prior to Britney Spears loss of child custody, which puts you in the midst of the seven dog year loss streak...
And it does not address the pressing Julian versus Gregorian Calendar conundrum at all. 
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