Some BCS facts for your SEC friends

[Jaxbuck]

We have all heard the talk since last year about the SEC dominance and tsuns recent egg laying has certainly made it worse. I thought I'd throw some stuff out there so anyone can reference it during their next conversation with an SEC dominace believer.

Since the inception of the BCS system in 1998 B10 vs SEC head to head:

Overall: SEC 19 B10 17
SEC Home team: SEC 4 B10 O
B10 Home team: B10 3 SEC 2
Bowl Games: B10 14 SEC 13
# of winning Bowl seasons: B10 5 SEC 3 (2 ties)
Total combined scores of all Bowl games: 691-717
When B10 is higher ranked team: 6-7
When SEC is higher ranked team: B10 5 SEC 6
When both unranked or same rank: B10 2 SEC 1

So what myths are laid to rest here?
1) The SEC owns the B10. I guess that would depend on ones definition of "owns." The B10 has the edge in head to head Bowl competetiton during the BCS era. Top to bottom SEC strength, southern speed and ill feelings still harbord from the Civil War dont mean anything. Bowl games are best teams on best teams, head to head. The B10 leads 13-11. Period.

2) The B10 is overrated. Again, don't let the facts get in the way of a good opinion. When the B10 has the higher rated team in head to head Bowl competition the record stands at 6-6. When the SEC is the higher ranked team The B10 leads 5 games to 4. When both teams are unranked(or the same rank) the B10 leads 2-1.

3) UF's win over OSU shows how much better the SEC is. My only question here is if the B12 has permanent bragging rights over the SEC from Nebraska's 62-24 beating of a previously undefeated UF in the '95 Fiesta Bowl?

Dominance? I think not. Anyone willing to look deeper than a SportsCenter sound byte can see its even at best for the SEC.


Bowls Year by year(year is for season not actually played), rankings are from AP:

1998: 2-0 B10
#15 UM 45-#11 Ark 31
#22 PSU 26-(NR) UK 14

1999: 2-1 B10
#9 MSU 37-#10 UF 34
#8 UM 35-#5 AL 34
#21 UGA 28- #19 Purdue 25

2000: 1-1
#17 UM 31-#20 Auburn 28
(NR) USC 24-#19 OSU 7

2001: 3-0 SEC
#14 USC 31-#22 OSU 28
#12 LSU 47-#7 ILL 34
#8 UT 45-#17 UM 17

2002: 2-1 B10
#12 UM 38-#22 UF 30
(NR) Minn 29-#25 Ark 14
#19 Auburn 13-#10 PSU 9

2003: 2-1 SEC
#13 Iowa 37-#17 UF 17
#11 UGA 34-#10 Purdue 27
(NR)Auburn 28-(NR)Wisky 14

2004: 2-1 B10
(NR)Minn 20-(NR)AL 16
#11 Iowa 30-#12 LSU 25
#8 UGA 24-#16 Wisky 21

2005: 1-1
#21 Wisky 24-#7 Aub 10
#16 UF 31-#25 Iowa 24

2006: 2-1 B10
#12t Wisky 17-#12t Ark 14
(NR)PSU 20-#17 UT 10
#2 UF 41-#1 OSU 14

2007:2-1 SEC
#18 Wisky 17- #16 UT-21
UR scUM 41- #9 UF 35
#1 OSU 24 - #2 LSU 38

[Yertle]

[Yertle]

Dang, I have to spread reputation around...

[nikonosis]

Auburn defeated Wisconsin in 2003 and that isn't on there...

[ant80]

Originally Posted by Yertle

Dang, I have to spread reputation around...

I got your back man.

[Dryden]

I posted the exact same thing in December/January before the Championship Game.

Here's the updated info, which I did send over to Bruce Feldman at ESPN after he parroted an SEC is teh R0X0Rs article.

Big 10 v SEC Bowl Wins (1998-Present)

Penn State 1998 Outback W 26-14 Kentucky
Michigan 1998 Citrus W 45-31 Arkansas
Michigan 1999 Orange W 35-34 (OT) Alabama
Michigan 2000 Citrus W 31-28 Auburn
Michigan State 1999 Citrus W 37-34 Florida
Minnesota 2002 Music City W 29-14 Arkansas
Michigan 2002 Outback W 38-30 Florida
Iowa 2003 Outback W 37-17 Florida
Iowa 2004 Capital One W 30-25 LSU
Minnesota 2004 Music City W 20-16 Alabama
Wisconsin 2005 Capital One W 24-10 Auburn
Penn State 2006 Outback W 20-10 Tennessee
Wisconsin 2006 Capital One W 17-14 Arkansas

Big 10 v SEC Bowl Losses (1998-Present)

Purdue 1999 Outback L 25-28 (OT) Georgia
Ohio State 2000 Outback L 7-24 South Carolina
Illinois 2001 Sugar L 34-47 LSU
Michigan 2001 Citrus L 17-45 Tennessee
Ohio State 2001 Outback L 28-31 South Carolina
Penn State 2002 Capital One L 9-13 Auburn
Purdue 2003 Capital One L 27-34 (OT) Georgia
Wisconsin 2003 Music City L 14-28 Auburn
Wisconsin 2004 Outback L 21-24 Georgia
Iowa 2005 Outback L 24-31 Florida
Ohio State 2006 BCS Championship Game L 14-41 Florida

Cumulative Game Score 609-623

19 games played in Florida
3 games played in Tennessee
1 game played in Louisiana
1 game played in Arizona

3 games decided in overtime
7 games decided by a FG or less (4-3 Big 10)
13 games decided by one possession (7-6 Big 10)
8 games decided by 2 TDs or more (4-4 Even)

Record 13 - 11 (Big 10)
Avg score 26 - 25 (SEC)

[Jaxbuck]

Originally Posted by nikonosis

Auburn defeated Wisconsin in 2003 and that isn't on there...

Thanks, I knew I had a loss counted I didn't have in the game by game.

Originally Posted by Dryden

I posted the exact same thing in December/January before the Championship Game.

Here's the updated info, which I did send over to Bruce Feldman at ESPN after he parroted an SEC is teh R0X0Rs article.

Big 10 v SEC Bowl Wins (1998-Present)

Penn State 1998 Outback W 26-14 Kentucky
Michigan 1998 Citrus W 45-31 Arkansas
Michigan 1999 Orange W 35-34 (OT) Alabama
Michigan 2000 Citrus W 31-28 Auburn
Michigan State 1999 Citrus W 37-34 Florida
Minnesota 2002 Music City W 29-14 Arkansas
Michigan 2002 Outback W 38-30 Florida
Iowa 2003 Outback W 37-17 Florida
Iowa 2004 Capital One W 30-25 LSU
Minnesota 2004 Music City W 20-16 Alabama
Wisconsin 2005 Capital One W 24-10 Auburn
Penn State 2006 Outback W 20-10 Tennessee
Wisconsin 2006 Capital One W 17-14 Arkansas

Big 10 v SEC Bowl Losses (1998-Present)

Purdue 1999 Outback L 25-28 (OT) Georgia
Ohio State 2000 Outback L 7-24 South Carolina
Illinois 2001 Sugar L 34-47 LSU
Michigan 2001 Citrus L 17-45 Tennessee
Ohio State 2001 Outback L 28-31 South Carolina
Penn State 2002 Capital One L 9-13 Auburn
Purdue 2003 Capital One L 27-34 (OT) Georgia
Wisconsin 2003 Music City L 14-28 Auburn
Wisconsin 2004 Outback L 21-24 Georgia
Iowa 2005 Outback L 24-31 Florida
Ohio State 2006 BCS Championship Game L 14-41 Florida

Cumulative Game Score 609-623

19 games played in Florida
3 games played in Tennessee
1 game played in Louisiana
1 game played in Arizona

3 games decided in overtime
7 games decided by a FG or less (4-3 Big 10)
13 games decided by one possession (7-6 Big 10)
8 games decided by 2 TDs or more (4-4 Even)

Record 13 - 11 (Big 10)
Avg score 26 - 25 (SEC)

You did a much better job than I did. I messed up 1 game and the total score.

What would be cool is if someone added what the different teams rankings were at the time of the games, both in the polls and in their conferences.

My theory is that we usually end up playing a B10 #4 vs SEC #2 type of thing.

[Dryden]

I just realized looking at the list that Michigan is 4-1 in the BCS-era vs SEC team in bowls, having beaten Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, and Florida. They're averaging 37 ppg vs SEC teams in their wins.

Appalachian St > Michigan > SEC.

[DaddyBigBucks]

Originally Posted by Jaxbuck

Thanks, I knew I had a loss counted I didn't have in the game by game.



You did a much better job than I did. I messed up 1 game and the total score.

What would be cool is if someone added what the different teams rankings were at the time of the games, both in the polls and in their conferences.

My theory is that we usually end up playing a B10 #4 vs SEC #2 type of thing.

The Big 10 has put a second team in the BCS two more times than has the SEC since the inception of the BCS, and the difference grows if you go back into the Bowl Alliance and Bowl Coalition years.

The point here is that the Capital One and Outback Bowls, which are supposed to match-up the Big 10 and SEC #2 and #3 respectively; have actually paired up the SEC#2 vs. The Big 10 #3 and the SEC#3 vs. The Big 10 #4 at least two more times than it has been the other way around. We still have a winning record over that span.

[sandgk]

In terms of rankings pre-game some of them are here ...

I'll need to double-check some of the NR - not ranked - assignments.

Big 10 v SEC Bowl Wins (1998-Present)

Penn State (22) 1998 Outback W 26-14 Kentucky (NR)
Michigan (15) 1998 Citrus W 45-31 Arkansas (11)
Michigan (8) 1999 Orange W 35-34 (OT) Alabama (5)
Michigan (17) 2000 Citrus W 31-28 Auburn (20)
Michigan State (9) 1999 Citrus W 37-34 Florida (10)
Minnesota (nr) 2002 Music City W 29-14 Arkansas (25)
Michigan (12) 2002 Outback W 38-30 Florida (22)
Iowa (13) 2003 Outback W 37-17 Florida (17)
Iowa (11) 2004 Capital One W 30-25 LSU (12)
Minnesota (NR) 2004 Music City W 20-16 Alabama (NR)
Wisconsin (21) 2005 Capital One W 24-10 Auburn (7)
Penn State (NR) 2006 Outback W 20-10 Tennessee (17)
Wisconsin (12t) 2006 Capital One W 17-14 Arkansas (12t)

Big 10 v SEC Bowl Losses (1998-Present)

Purdue (19) 1999 Outback L 25-28 (OT) Georgia (21)
Ohio State (19) 2000 Outback L 7-24 South Carolina (NR)
Illinois (7) 2001 Sugar L 34-47 LSU (12)
Michigan (17) 2001 Citrus L 17-45 Tennessee (8)
Ohio State (22) 2001 Outback L 28-31 South Carolina (14)
Penn State (10) 2002 Capital One L 9-13 Auburn (19)
Purdue (12) 2003 Capital One L 27-34 (OT) Georgia (11)
Wisconsin (NR) 2003 Music City L 14-28 Auburn (NR)
Wisconsin (16) 2004 Outback L 21-24 Georgia (8)
Iowa (25) 2005 Outback L 24-31 Florida (16)
Ohio State (1) 2006 BCS Championship Game L 14-41 Florida (2)


EDIT - This uses AP Poll Data ONLY

[Jaxbuck]

So by my count that makes us:

6-5 as the higher ranked team
5-5 as the lower ranked team

with 3 "pushes" of 2 NR teams(B10 2-1 in these).

Again, all I see there is the 2 best conferences in America going toe to toe and coming out essentially even.

We still need to add the conference standing data and make 1 nice cleaned up version.

[sandgk]

An attempt at a succinct Conference Ranking for these Head-To-Head SEC/B10 Bowl Games
w/l - Year -- Team B10 (r) --- Team SEC (r)
w ---- 1998 ---- Penn State ---- 5 ---- Kentucky ---- 6
w ---- 1998 ---- Michigan ---- 2 ---- Arkansas ---- 3
w ---- 1999 ---- Michigan ---- 2 ---- Alabama ---- 1
w ---- 1999 ---- Mich State ---- 3 ---- Florida ---- 3
l ---- 1999 ---- Purdue ---- 6 ---- Georgia ---- 5
w ---- 2000 ---- Michigan ---- 1 ---- Auburn ---- 2
l ---- 2000 ---- Ohio State ---- 4 ---- South Carolina ---- 6
l ---- 2001 ---- Illinois ---- 1 ---- LSU ---- 3
l ---- 2001 ---- Michigan ---- 2 ---- Tennessee ---- 2
l ---- 2001 ---- Ohio State ---- 3 ---- South Carolina ---- 5
w ---- 2002 ---- Minnesota ---- 7 ---- Arkansas ---- 7
w ---- 2002 ---- Michigan ---- 3 ---- Florida ---- 3
l ---- 2002 ---- Penn State ---- 4 ---- Auburn ---- 4
w ---- 2003 ---- Iowa ---- 4 ---- Florida ---- 4
l ---- 2003 ---- Purdue ---- 3 ---- Georgia ---- 3
l ---- 2003 ---- Wisconsin ---- 7 ---- Auburn ---- 5
w ---- 2004 ---- Iowa ---- 1 ---- LSU ---- 3
w ---- 2004 ---- Minnesota ---- 8 ---- Alabama ---- 8
l ---- 2004 ---- Wisconsin ---- 3 ---- Georgia ---- 2
w ---- 2005 ---- Wisconsin ---- 6 ---- Auburn ---- 1
l ---- 2005 ---- Iowa ---- 4 ---- Florida ---- 6
w ---- 2006 ---- Penn State ---- 4 ---- Tennessee ---- 5
w ---- 2006 ---- Wisconsin ---- 3 ---- Arkansas ---- 3
l ---- 2006 ---- Ohio State ---- 1 ---- Florida ---- 1

[MililaniBuckeye]

Too bad we haven't been holding up our share of the load...

[Dryden]

We need HTML re-enabled.

[Jaxbuck]

Originally Posted by sandgk

An attempt at a succinct Conference Ranking for these Head-To-Head SEC/B10 Bowl Games
w/l - Year -- Team B10 (r) --- Team SEC (r)
w ---- 1998 ---- Penn State ---- 5 ---- Kentucky ---- 6
w ---- 1998 ---- Michigan ---- 2 ---- Arkansas ---- 3
w ---- 1999 ---- Michigan ---- 2 ---- Alabama ---- 1
w ---- 1999 ---- Mich State ---- 3 ---- Florida ---- 3
l ---- 1999 ---- Purdue ---- 6 ---- Georgia ---- 5
w ---- 2000 ---- Michigan ---- 1 ---- Auburn ---- 2
l ---- 2000 ---- Ohio State ---- 4 ---- South Carolina ---- 6
l ---- 2001 ---- Illinois ---- 1 ---- LSU ---- 3
l ---- 2001 ---- Michigan ---- 2 ---- Tennessee ---- 2
l ---- 2001 ---- Ohio State ---- 3 ---- South Carolina ---- 5
w ---- 2002 ---- Minnesota ---- 7 ---- Arkansas ---- 7
w ---- 2002 ---- Michigan ---- 3 ---- Florida ---- 3
l ---- 2002 ---- Penn State ---- 4 ---- Auburn ---- 4
w ---- 2003 ---- Iowa ---- 4 ---- Florida ---- 4
l ---- 2003 ---- Purdue ---- 3 ---- Georgia ---- 3
l ---- 2003 ---- Wisconsin ---- 7 ---- Auburn ---- 5
w ---- 2004 ---- Iowa ---- 1 ---- LSU ---- 3
w ---- 2004 ---- Minnesota ---- 8 ---- Alabama ---- 8
l ---- 2004 ---- Wisconsin ---- 3 ---- Georgia ---- 2
w ---- 2005 ---- Wisconsin ---- 6 ---- Auburn ---- 1
l ---- 2005 ---- Iowa ---- 4 ---- Florida ---- 6
w ---- 2006 ---- Penn State ---- 4 ---- Tennessee ---- 5
w ---- 2006 ---- Wisconsin ---- 3 ---- Arkansas ---- 3
l ---- 2006 ---- Ohio State ---- 1 ---- Florida ---- 1

So again its pretty even.

As the higher seed: B10 5-4
As the lower seed: B10 2-3
Same: B10 6-4

What I found interesting was my theory was shot to hell. We have been equal or higher seeded 19 times. We have only put a lower B10 team against a higher SEC team 5 times.