Rivalries and Conferences (Split from LSU v. OSU Offensive Personnel Thread)

[Nordberg]

Originally Posted by Tigertracker

The teams in the SEC tend to root for each other against non conference teams because in the past the SEC got no respect throughout the nation. All of the sports writers and poll people were located on the coasts and we would seldom get the publicity the others did. The perception has changed in the media, but we still stick together

So this is just an SEC thing? I believe this happens in all conferences. I root for all Big 10 team when they play non-conference teams. Yea I would love Meat-chicken to go 0-12, but would rather other teams in the Big Ten to dominate out of conference opponents. I would say that USC fans were rooting for Oregon to beat M*ch*gan. Rooting for your teams conference happens in all conference.

[OSUBucksfan09]

How bout the Big 12, with 7 titles over the span? With Oklahoma, Colorado, Texas and Nebraska. Your point?????
Plus the Big East had Pitt winning one.

By ur logic, the Big 12 is the best. . .

[Tigertracker]

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

Nonsense. No respect? Are you friggin serious? What's with Bama's retro titles then? No respect? You're not the [censored]ing Pac 10 with its East Coast bias crap. You're simply in the south. Give me a damn break.

Alabama got respect, the conference didn't. Don't bother telling me it wasn't true, I lived through it and saw it first hand. The odds are that I have been a season ticket holder longer than you've been walking.

Yeah? How nice. 2 of them are relevant. Florida and LSU.

I think you need to get a better handle on the meaning of "relevent", If OSU had to play them every year I bet they would become "Relevent" pretty damn quick.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by Tigertracker

Alabama got respect, the conference didn't. Don't bother telling me it wasn't true, I lived through it and saw it first hand. The odds are that I have been a season ticket holder longer than you've been walking.

OK, Father Time, you're old enough to remember when the SEC didn't get any respect. When exactly was that? Prior to 1950? Tennessee seemed to be respected enough to win a Title in 1951, Auburn split with OSU in 1957, LSU grabbed the 1958 Title. Alabama won multiple times in the 60s and 70s. Georgia 1980, then a 12 year break to Bama in 92, Florida 96 Tennessee 98 and so on.. So, were you talking prior to 1950? Or, are you just all upset that Alabama was the only team in your conference consistently worth a [censored] in the 60s and 70s?

Using Bama's titles as a book end (1961 and 1978) the winning pct. for SEC Confernce members, ranked nationally in th 1960s:

Rank..Team......Pct..Wins..Loss..Tie
3.....Alabama...806...88....20.....3
10....LSU.......752...80....25.....4
14....OleMiss...708...74....29.....5
20....Tennessee.691...72....31.....4
25....Florida...667...68....33.....4
30....Auburn....638...66....37.....2
49....Georgia...590...58....39.....8
102...SouthCar..397...38....59.....5
112...Miss.St...366...35....62.....4
118...Kentucky..356...34....63.....4
131...Vandy.....277...25....70.....6

And the 1970s (and rather than use 1978, I'll just take it to 1980):

Rank..Team......Pct..Wins..Loss..Tie
1.....Alabama...891..107....13.....0
14....Georgia...709...82....33.....2
25....LSU.......650...74....39.....3
30....Aubrun....616...68....42.....2
34....Tennessee.607...69....44.....3
53....SouthCar..530...60....53.....1
56....Florida...526...59....53.....3
66....OleMiss...490...54....56.....0
74....Kentucky..459...50....59.....2
100...Miss St...357...39....71.....2
104...Vandy.....328...35....73.....3

Note: Arkansas was not considered in either tally due to them having not been SEC at the time, and the issue here is SEC's reputation at the time. Arkansas' success in the 60s and 70s therefore did not assist the SEC at all.

The 1960s saw the SWC "dominate" the landscape in terms of W/L records with Texas and Arkansas ending up in the top 10. The Pac 10 had two as well, with ASU edging out USC in terms of wins for the decade. Ohio State was the Big 10's lone rep, and Nebraska the Big 8s. SEC had, again, Bama and LSU, with Bama collecting Titles in 61, 64 and 65. The "disrespected SEC" also found themselves with with the following final rankings in 1961 - 1 Bama 4 LSU 5 Mississippi. In 1962 Mississippi, Bama and LSU all were ranked top 10. 1963, the SEC was against disrespected in to only have 3 teams in the final top 10, Auburn, Ole Miss and Bama 1964, The disrespect continued with Bama winning the title and LSU ranking 7th, followed up by the same disrespect in 1965 - a Bama title and LSU 8th. Only one SEC team made it in 1966 and it was Bama and in 1967 the disrespected SEC had 2 teams ranked, Tenny and Bama

The 1970s saw the Big 8 have two teams - Oklahoma and Nebraska - ranked in the top 10 wins. The Big 10 had two as well, Ohio State and Michigan, also in the top 10 wins. Pac 10 had 1 (USC) and there were two major independents, Notre Dame and Penn State in the top 10. Along with Central Mich and Boise State rounding it out. And you're bitching to me about respect? Seems to me your conference used to be rated correctly. Alabama and a [censored] load of also rans. Just like the Big Ten was the Big two and little 8. Just like the Pac 10 was USC and the Big 8 was Nebby and Oky... In fact, in the 1970s, this conference rankings [censored] was still some 20 years distant. In those days, the bowl game was still considered a reward for a season, and not a "final playoff game" of any kind.

A quick look at final rating reveals this from the 1970s final top ten finishes for SEC teams:
1970 - 2
1971 - 3
1972 - 2
1973 - 1
1974 - 2
1975 - 1
1976 - 1
1977 - 2
1978 - 1
1979 - 1
1980 - 2

There seems to be no disrespect here, especially when you consider that in 1978 and 1979 the 1 team rated won the NC. What it looks to me is that the "mighty SEC" like every other friggin conference suffers ups and downs. Thats reality, not disrespect.

Tired of me handing you your ass yet?

Yeah? How nice. 2 of them are relevant. Florida and LSU.
I think you need to get a better handle on the meaning of "relevent", If OSU had to play them every year I bet they would become "Relevent" pretty damn quick.

Sure, I need a better hand on the word Relevant. Of course, Louisiana is the only state in the nation which has it's legal foundation in the Napoleonic, but it's I who needs help with the word relevant. Gotcha.

Yes. Two are relevant. As you can see from my extensive research above, it's actually quite typical for a "power conference" to have 2 relevant teams at during any given season. In the Big Ten it's typically Ohio State and Michigan. In the Big 8 it was OU and Nebby. Now it's OU and Texas... and so on.

Indeed, I think it may be YOU who needs an update on the word relevant an its meaning. Relevant doesn't mean "good" as you seem to think. It does mean "having demonstrable bearing on the matter" however.

"If OSU had to play them every year I bet they would become "Relevent" pretty damn quick."

Likewise, if LSU had to play in the Big 10 instead of the SEC, every Big Ten team would become "relevant" pretty damn quick. What's your friggin point?

You can pick up your ass at will-call.

[BB73]

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

Likewise, if LSU had to play in the Big 10 instead of the SEC, every Big Ten team would become "relevant" pretty damn quick. What's your friggin point?

You can pick up your ass at will-call.

It appears that BKB is also Mili.

[Tigertracker]

Originally Posted by OSUBucksfan09

How bout the Big 12, with 7 titles over the span? With Oklahoma, Colorado, Texas and Nebraska. Your point?????
Plus the Big East had Pitt winning one.

By ur logic, the Big 12 is the best. . .

Do you see anything in my post saying who is the best? Read what the post says, not what you think it says. We were discussing what constitutes a great conference versus a great team in a conference. I would certainly call the B12 a great conference.

[Tigertracker]

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

OK, Father Time, you're old enough to remember when the SEC didn't get any respect. When exactly was that? Prior to 1950? Tennessee seemed to be respected enough to win a Title in 1951, Auburn split with OSU in 1957, LSU grabbed the 1958 Title. Alabama won multiple times in the 60s and 70s. Georgia 1980, then a 12 year break to Bama in 92, Florida 96 Tennessee 98 and so on.. So, were you talking prior to 1950? Or, are you just all upset that Alabama was the only team in your conference consistently worth a [censored] in the 60s and 70s?

Using Bama's titles as a book end (1961 and 1978) the winning pct. for SEC Confernce members, ranked nationally in th 1960s:

Rank..Team......Pct..Wins..Loss..Tie
3.....Alabama...806...88....20.....3
10....LSU.......752...80....25.....4
14....OleMiss...708...74....29.....5
20....Tennessee.691...72....31.....4
25....Florida...667...68....33.....4
30....Auburn....638...66....37.....2
49....Georgia...590...58....39.....8
102...SouthCar..397...38....59.....5
112...Miss.St...366...35....62.....4
118...Kentucky..356...34....63.....4
131...Vandy.....277...25....70.....6

And the 1970s (and rather than use 1978, I'll just take it to 1980):

Rank..Team......Pct..Wins..Loss..Tie
1.....Alabama...891..107....13.....0
14....Georgia...709...82....33.....2
25....LSU.......650...74....39.....3
30....Aubrun....616...68....42.....2
34....Tennessee.607...69....44.....3
53....SouthCar..530...60....53.....1
56....Florida...526...59....53.....3
66....OleMiss...490...54....56.....0
74....Kentucky..459...50....59.....2
100...Miss St...357...39....71.....2
104...Vandy.....328...35....73.....3

Note: Arkansas was not considered in either tally due to them having not been SEC at the time, and the issue here is SEC's reputation at the time. Arkansas' success in the 60s and 70s therefore did not assist the SEC at all.

The 1960s saw the SWC "dominate" the landscape in terms of W/L records with Texas and Arkansas ending up in the top 10. The Pac 10 had two as well, with ASU edging out USC in terms of wins for the decade. Ohio State was the Big 10's lone rep, and Nebraska the Big 8s. SEC had, again, Bama and LSU, with Bama collecting Titles in 61, 64 and 65. The "disrespected SEC" also found themselves with with the following final rankings in 1961 - 1 Bama 4 LSU 5 Mississippi. In 1962 Mississippi, Bama and LSU all were ranked top 10. 1963, the SEC was against disrespected in to only have 3 teams in the final top 10, Auburn, Ole Miss and Bama 1964, The disrespect continued with Bama winning the title and LSU ranking 7th, followed up by the same disrespect in 1965 - a Bama title and LSU 8th. Only one SEC team made it in 1966 and it was Bama and in 1967 the disrespected SEC had 2 teams ranked, Tenny and Bama

The 1970s saw the Big 8 have two teams - Oklahoma and Nebraska - ranked in the top 10 wins. The Big 10 had two as well, Ohio State and Michigan, also in the top 10 wins. Pac 10 had 1 (USC) and there were two major independents, Notre Dame and Penn State in the top 10. Along with Central Mich and Boise State rounding it out. And you're bitching to me about respect? Seems to me your conference used to be rated correctly. Alabama and a [censored] load of also rans. Just like the Big Ten was the Big two and little 8. Just like the Pac 10 was USC and the Big 8 was Nebby and Oky... In fact, in the 1970s, this conference rankings [censored] was still some 20 years distant. In those days, the bowl game was still considered a reward for a season, and not a "final playoff game" of any kind.

A quick look at final rating reveals this from the 1970s final top ten finishes for SEC teams:
1970 - 2
1971 - 3
1972 - 2
1973 - 1
1974 - 2
1975 - 1
1976 - 1
1977 - 2
1978 - 1
1979 - 1
1980 - 2

There seems to be no disrespect here, especially when you consider that in 1978 and 1979 the 1 team rated won the NC. What it looks to me is that the "mighty SEC" like every other friggin conference suffers ups and downs. Thats reality, not disrespect.

Tired of me handing you your ass yet?



Sure, I need a better hand on the word Relevant. Of course, Louisiana is the only state in the nation which has it's legal foundation in the Napoleonic, but it's I who needs help with the word relevant. Gotcha.

Yes. Two are relevant. As you can see from my extensive research above, it's actually quite typical for a "power conference" to have 2 relevant teams at during any given season. In the Big Ten it's typically Ohio State and Michigan. In the Big 8 it was OU and Nebby. Now it's OU and Texas... and so on.

Indeed, I think it may be YOU who needs an update on the word relevant an its meaning. Relevant doesn't mean "good" as you seem to think. It does mean "having demonstrable bearing on the matter" however.

"If OSU had to play them every year I bet they would become "Relevent" pretty damn quick."

Likewise, if LSU had to play in the Big 10 instead of the SEC, every Big Ten team would become "relevant" pretty damn quick. What's your friggin point?

You can pick up your ass at will-call.

All of that is amusing coming after reading on this board about how OSU gets no respect. Mighty funny that OSU can have the record it has but the vast majority of you claim no respect from anyone. It is the same thing I am say