Rivalries and Conferences (Split from LSU v. OSU Offensive Personnel Thread)

[Nordberg]

Yea I don't know if it is that they are anxious, nervous, or any other excuse. I know it will be a very close game that will be decided in the last quarter or so.

[Muck]

Originally Posted by Tigertracker

I am out of here, I have better things to do than deal with all of this paranoia, Persecution complexes

Wait, I thought that was your shtick?

and SEC envy.

Disdain and envy are not synonyms.

[buck1973]

Originally Posted by Tigertracker

Consider this about the teams he claims are not relevent. If LSU had not intercepted that pass late in the Tenn. game there is a very strong possibility that Georgia would be the team you would be playing for the NC. Auburn went undeafeated a couple of years ago and normally would have been in the NC game. At the begining of each season there are 5 or 6 SEC teams that have a realistic chance at winning the conference, in the last 10 years there have been 5 different teams do so. I can't think of another conference that has that much balance. So to call any one of these teams irrelevent is very wrong in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Tigertracker

That's exactly how it works, use the same criteria for both conferences, anything else is comparing apples to oranges.

Originally Posted by Tigertracker

That is exactly what I said, they are apples and oranges. If you are going to count all of the co-champs then you would have to use the same criteria and go back and see how many co-champs the SEC would have had using the same rules. I have no intention of doing that, but be my guest if you wish.
I am out of here, I have better things to do than deal with all of this paranoia, Persecution complexes and SEC envy.

I'll let you in on a well kept secret. The BXII also has a conference championship game. That would be apples to apples or, if you prefer, oranges to oranges. You're still wrong.

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

I wonder what Ol' Tiger would have to say about the Big XII.

2007 - Oklahoma
2006 - Oklahoma
2005 - Texas
2004 - Oklahoma
2003 - Kansas State
2002 - Oklahoma
2001 - Colorado
2000 - Oklahoma
1999 - Nebraska
1998 - Texas A&M

I've never seen such balance. What is that... 6 teams in 10 years?

Even with SEC who also has 6 (he said 5 or 6, it's 6, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee since 1998)

[Muck]

Originally Posted by buck1973

I'll let you in on a well kept secret. The BXII also has a conference championship game. That would be apples to apples or, if you prefer, oranges to oranges. You're still wrong.

Even if you just say that Ohio State or TSUN were the "real" champions in the "co" years, that would still leave four teams winning the conference during the time frame.

Two fewer teams in a one school smaller conference. Not quite the massive disparity implied.

Personally money is on at least one of Iowa, Northwestern, Purdue or Penn State winning out even with a conf-champ during one of those years (with my money being on NW in 2000, Iowa in 04 or Penn State in 05).

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by Muck

Even if you just say that Ohio State or TSUN were the "real" champions in the "co" years, that would still leave four teams winning the conference during the time frame.

Except, that's incorrect.
2005 Ohio State and Penn State tied - PSU gets title as they won H2H
2004 Michigan and Iowa tied - Michigan H2H
2002 Ohio State and Iowa tied - Ohio State gets title as better overall record
2000 Michigan Purdue and Northwestern tied. Purdue won the Rose Bowl berth thru whatever tie break system
1998 Ohio State Michigan Wisconsin - doesn't matter because each also has it's own title, but I think it was Wiscy who went to the Rose, OSU to the Sugar

Thus, we have since 1998 the following conference winners,
1998 - Wisconsin
1999 - Wisconsin
2000 - Purdue
2001 - Illinois
2002 - Ohio State
2003 - Michigan
2004 - Michigan
2005 - Penn State
2006 - Ohio State
2007 - Ohio State

6 Teams in 10 years. Just like the SEC.

Tiger, I'll take your silence as concession.

Incidentally, when talking about conference parity... isn't a CoChampionship direct evidence of that? How is it the Big Ten's fault that the SEC decided to have a money driven championship game? Big Ten is making money without one, so....

[MaxBuck]

Originally Posted by OCBucksFan

Sheesh, talk about a stupid argument. I don't expect SEC people to get, care about, hell or even watch the tOSU/UM game. But I also don't expect them to come belittle it, I honestly don't give a flying moose-[censored] what you think about our rivalry, or our conference, hell, really, or even our team or myself. Honestly, at this point, I was hoping for more intelligent football discussion, but instead it's turned into this side-ways [censored]ing contest that's just got friggin' annoying. Does anyone here ACTUALLY think they are going to change any opinions from the other side?

Yes, we have the best band, fans, most tradition and history as well as the greatest rivalry ever to hit any sport, Jesus himself reincarnates on the day of the Game when it's in Columbus just to root for the Bucks! And you know what? that's how we feel about all of this, does that mean that's how you need to feel? No, but does that mean you should argue? No, because it's how we feel, it's not how we expect you to feel but this stupidity of "No one cares about your rivalry anymore" has gotten to the point where it's almost trash talking.

I thought this thread was discussing LSU and OSU offensive players? Not who's conference has better opponents, who has the best rivalry or any of that bull[censored]. Just get-[censored]ing-over it, we're not going to say "you're right, Michigan and Ohio State has no meaning" because we live and die by the outcome of that game and bleed when it it happens.

So just stop.

Can a brother get a GPA?