Miles vs. Tressel

[ray6072]

I think one thing that is getting ignored is that Miles is a CEO type coach, generally choosing to let his oc and dc do the gameplanning. I'd say his OC an DC are probably way better than what he had at Okie State and I think that will make a big difference. He'll make the calls to go for it, and i agree with the LSU poster who said that he agreed with every call. The touchdown pass to Byrd i had no confidence at that point of Colt making that field goal, plus if that pass drops incomplete, there still should be 3 or 4 sec's on the clock. I am sure people are tired of lsu fan's saying that but it is the truth and keeps being brought up incorrectly. For those who haven't seen the replay close, check it out. The clock got a lil hometown cooking and ran for bout 3 seconds after he caught the ball. i also agreed with all the fourth down calls against florida. They were not going to stop Hester that game. I agree that Miles takes more risks than most coaches, but i believe they are calculated risks. He has said as much after the florida games(I think that one) they have plays set up for down and distance and situations they think are favorable and if they are in one of those situations, they will consider going for it. They felt they could violate the florida D and did, and wanted to keep Tebow off the field. I agree that Tressel is a better coach, but i don't think the difference is as big as y'all are making it.

[jwinslow]

The touchdown pass to Byrd i had no confidence at that point of Colt making that field goal, plus if that pass drops incomplete, there still should be 3 or 4 sec's on the clock. I am sure people are tired of lsu fan's saying that but it is the truth and keeps being brought up incorrectly. For those who haven't seen the replay close, check it out. The clock got a lil hometown cooking and ran for bout 3 seconds after he caught the ball.

That ball could easily have been intercepted... which is one of the aspects of the 'reckless' label.

I agree that Tressel is a better coach, but i don't think the difference is as big as y'all are making it.

I think there's an important distinction between coaching ability & coaching production. Tressel has a major edge in the latter, as far as his resume. But like many of y'all are arguing, that does not preclude him from coaching well on this stage.

Personally, I don't expect Les to have much trouble coaching on this level (of game), and can certainly win. But I do hope he continues the gambling, because at some point the probability has to catch up to him. Unless there is more to those voodoo jokes I see on the LSU boards

[LSUTyga73]

Originally Posted by ray6072

I think one thing that is getting ignored is that Miles is a CEO type coach, generally choosing to let his oc and dc do the gameplanning. I'd say his OC an DC are probably way better than what he had at Okie State and I think that will make a big difference. He'll make the calls to go for it, and i agree with the LSU poster who said that he agreed with every call. The touchdown pass to Byrd i had no confidence at that point of Colt making that field goal, plus if that pass drops incomplete, there still should be 3 or 4 sec's on the clock. I am sure people are tired of lsu fan's saying that but it is the truth and keeps being brought up incorrectly. For those who haven't seen the replay close, check it out. The clock got a lil hometown cooking and ran for bout 3 seconds after he caught the ball. i also agreed with all the fourth down calls against florida. They were not going to stop Hester that game. I agree that Miles takes more risks than most coaches, but i believe they are calculated risks. He has said as much after the florida games(I think that one) they have plays set up for down and distance and situations they think are favorable and if they are in one of those situations, they will consider going for it. They felt they could violate the florida D and did, and wanted to keep Tebow off the field. I agree that Tressel is a better coach, but i don't think the difference is as big as y'all are making it.

I defintely agree that Miles is a CEO type coach. It helps when you have elite coordinators to help out as well. And I'm sure Tressel has the same type coordinators too, although you don't hear too much about them on the national stage.
LSU has definitely been a hotbed for coordinators/assistants, but as a result we lose a lot (Will Muschamp AKA "Boom Motherf*cker!", Jimbo Fisher, next HC at FSU, Derek Dooley, HC at Latech., and Bo Pelini, new HC at Nebraska)

Some of the first few 4th down conversions against UF were iffy, but the last ones were ones I definitely agreed with. 2 came on the last drive of the game in which we needed to score on.

In my opinion, it says more about Miles trusting his players and letting them play to win the game rather than him being a riverboat gambler. Sure some of them were ballsy, but as a player you can't help but be motivated to get execute the play if your head coach is willing to go against the norm and give you the opportunity.
Tressel is a great coach and a very classy man, I don't think anyone could say anything negative about the man outside of his fashion sense . Maybe I'll wear a purple and gold sweater vest in honor of him for the game.

[LSUTyga73]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

That ball could easily have been intercepted...which is one of the aspects of the 'reckless' label

True, but if thats the case, you should blame Matt Flynn or whover for that. It's the QB's responsibility to throw the ball far and away where its either caught or incomplete. The play call was great, the throw itself was actually very risky. Had the Auburn DB turned around or stuck his hand out it would have been incomplete, but I guess that's all kind of pointless to argue about now.

.I think there's an important distinction between coaching ability & coaching production. Tressel has a major edge in the latter, as far as his resume. But like many of y'all are arguing, that does not preclude him from coaching well on this stage.

Personally, I don't expect Les to have much trouble coaching on this level (of game), and can certainly win. But I do hope he continues the gambling, because at some point the probability has to catch up to him. Unless there is more to those voodoo jokes I see on the LSU boards

Coaching ability is very hard to compare at this level. Tressel has his team #1 and Miles has his team #2 so both coaches are obviously the best two this year.
Tressel has the better resume...so far. But if JT were at Okie State I think he would be at around where Miles is now with regards to career coaching record. There's only so much you can do at Okie State. If Miles keeps up his pace at LSU, he will catch up to JT and maybe pass him. Not bashing him at all, but a 11-2 yearly pace will definitely put you near or at the top.

[TheMightyQuinn]

Originally Posted by LSUTyga73

I defintely agree that Miles is a CEO type coach. It helps when you have elite coordinators to help out as well. And I'm sure Tressel has the same type coordinators too, although you don't hear too much about them on the national stage.
LSU has definitely been a hotbed for coordinators/assistants, but as a result we lose a lot (Will Muschamp AKA "Boom Motherf*cker!", Jimbo Fisher, next HC at FSU, Derek Dooley, HC at Latech., and Bo Pelini, new HC at Nebraska)

Some of the first few 4th down conversions against UF were iffy, but the last ones were ones I definitely agreed with. 2 came on the last drive of the game in which we needed to score on.

In my opinion, it says more about Miles trusting his players and letting them play to win the game rather than him being a riverboat gambler. Sure some of them were ballsy, but as a player you can't help but be motivated to get execute the play if your head coach is willing to go against the norm and give you the opportunity.
Tressel is a great coach and a very classy man, I don't think anyone could say anything negative about the man outside of his fashion sense . Maybe I'll wear a purple and gold sweater vest in honor of him for the game.

I really wish the LSU posters would decide to research or at least ask first before making such replies. Our DC just won the assistant of the year award. We had trouble keeping a DC for a few years cause they kept getting HC jobs. I'll let someone like Mili finish finding all the facts, cause he's good at it and I'm too lazy to do it at work.

[NateG]

Originally Posted by NateG

We started the erosion in January of 2003.

The fact that they werent a team with a bad record until then isnt the point. After we beat them they just werent the same team or program. If you look at your post it shows the steady decline or "erosion " that teams like Miami and other programs have shown. They went from 12-1(after our defeat) to 11-2 down to 7-6 in 3-4 years that is an erosion of a program and even if you dont agree I'll always believe that our "upset" of them started it.

[sluTiger]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

That ball could easily have been intercepted... which is one of the aspects of the 'reckless' label.I think there's an important distinction between coaching ability & coaching production. Tressel has a major edge in the latter, as far as his resume. But like many of y'all are arguing, that does not preclude him from coaching well on this stage.

I do not think so, look at the play. The Auburn defender was not even expecting the ball to be thrown. He interfered with Byrd and did not even look for the ball. The safety in the play is that it was not expected. NO ONE expected LSU to throw that pass. It was a good call that worked, if it did not work then LSU still had time on the clock for the winning field goal. David from 40+ is not a sure thing.

Tressel is a good coach, but so is Miles. There is no coaching advantage for either team in this game because both win an asspile of games. They know what they are doing.

[smith403]

Originally Posted by TheMightyQuinn

I really wish the LSU posters would decide to research or at least ask first before making such replies. Our DC just won the assistant of the year award. We had trouble keeping a DC for a few years cause they kept getting HC jobs. I'll let someone like Mili finish finding all the facts, cause he's good at it and I'm too lazy to do it at work.

You're right, Mili will have all the facts...here's a start on the facts

Four have gone on to become head coaches in Division I, including Michigan State's Mark Dantonio, Youngstown State's Jon Heacock, Kansas' Mark Mangino and Marshall's Mark Snyder)...no you don't hear much about Tressel assistants (past or present)