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The Real Linebacker U
A combination of reading Ohio State books I received for Christmas and watching Penn State in their bowl game tonight has inspired me to do a comparison between linebackers from both schools.
Ohio State players in scarlet
Penn State players in blue
Total Tackles - Career
1. 572 Marcus Marek '79-'82
2. 569 Tom Cousineau '75-'78
3. 546 Chris Spielman '84-'87
4. 408 Steve Tovar '89-'92
5. 394 A.J. Hawk '02-'05
6. 379 Pepper Johnson '82-'85
7. 372 Paul Pusluszny '03-'06
8. 345 Alvin Washington '77-'80
9. 343 Greg Buttle '73-'75
10. 338 Ed Thompson '74-'76
11. 336 Glen Cobb '79-'82
12. 331 Mike Doss '99-'02
13. 320 Randy Gradishar '71-'73
14. 316 Kelton Dansler '75-'78
15. 315 Brian Gelzheiser '91-'94
Total Tackles - Season
1. 211 Tom Cousineau '78
2. 205 Chris Spielman '86
3. 178 Marcus Marek '82
4. 172 David Adkins '77
5. 165 Greg Buttle '74
6. 156 Chris Spielman '87
156 Rowland Tatum '83
7. 149 Ed Thompson '76
8. 148 Marcus Marek '81
9. 147 Tom Cousineau '76
10. 146 Alvin Washington '78
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Linebackers Drafted (from 1970)
(Selection #)
First Round (8,3)
(1) Tom Cousineau '79
(2) LaVar Arrington '00
(5) A.J. Hawk '06
(8) Shane Conlan '87
(8) Ed O'Neil '74
(13) Rick Middleton '74
(14) Randy Gradishar '74
(18) Bobby Carpenter '06
(23) Bob Brudzinski '77
(28) Andy Katzenmoyer '99
(30) Craig Powell '95
Second Round (2,7)
(27) Doug Allen '74
(29) Chris Spielman '88
(33) Paul Posluszny '07
(34) Mark D'Onofrio '92
(34) Scott Radecic '84
(34) Jack Ham '71
(43) Matt Millen '80
(46) Andre Collins '90
(51) Pepper Johnson '86
Third Round (4,8)
(59) Steve Tovar '93
(67) Greg Buttle '76
(69) Lance Mehl '80
(71) Jim Laslavic '73
(72) Dennis Onkotz '70
(73) Walker Lee Ashley '83
(74) Terry Killens '96
(76) Anthony Schlegel '06
(77) Lorenzo Styles '95
(78) Kurt Allerman '77
(83) Keith Goganious '92
(86) Cie Grant '03
Fourth Round (6,4)
(84) Don Graham '87
(86) Al Washington '81
(91) Jim Laughlin '80
(98) Na'il Diggs '00
(98) John Ebersole '70
(100) Bruce Elia '75
(105) Anthony Griggs '82
(105) Brandon Short '00
(105) Rogers Alexander '86
(112) Matt Wilhelm '03
Fifth Round (3,5)
(114) Ron Crosby '77
(116) Bruce Bannon '73
(119) Jim Cope '75
(146) Phil Yeboah-Kodie '95
(148) Larry Kubin '81
(164) Tim Shaw '07
(165) Rob Reynolds '04
(167) Courtland Bullard '02
Sixth Round (1,5)
(136) John Skorupan '73
(152) Chet Parlavecchio '82
(153) Rich McKenzie '93
(155) Quintus McDonald '89
(180) Eric Ravotti '94
(189) Matt Finkes '97
Seventh Round (3,3)
(165) Doug Adams '71
(170) Chris Devlin '75
(176) Byron Lee '86
(182) Rich Milot '79
(193) Larry Kolic '86
(217) Rob Holmberg '94
Eighth Round (0,2)
(209) Andre Powell '92
(213) Reggie Givens '93
Ninth Round (1,1)
(234) Scott Leach '87
(247) Bob Ontko '87
Tenth Round (1,1)
(252) Aaron Brown '78
(267) Tom DePaso '78
Eleventh Round (0,1)
(282) Keith Karpinski '89
Twelfth Round (1,1)
(294) Tom Hull '74
(304) Vic Koegel '74
Seventeenth Round (1,1)
(421) Dave Graf '75
(438) Stan White '72
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Total Drafted Since 1970
Ohio State: 31
Penn State: 42
Total Drafted Since 1985
Ohio State: 18
Penn State: 20
Total Drafted Since 1995
Ohio State: 12
Penn State: 6
First thing that jumps out is how much better Ohio State players' numbers were during their college careers. Clear advantage to Ohio State there.
On the other hand, Penn State has had more linebackers drafted since 1970 and it is easy to see how they earned the nickname "Linebacker U".
At the same time, it's easy to see that the pendulum is swinging Ohio State's way as far as recent talent at the linebacker position.
With Dan Connor, James Laurinaitis and Marcus Freeman soon to be entering the draft these numbers should change again soon. It will be interesting to see which school has more linebackers drafted in the near future.
No matter what happens, it is an interesting debate, but I think it's clear that Ohio State has made a strong case for the title "Linebacker U" over the years and that case should only get stronger in the near future.
(p.s. I have too much time on my hands)
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12-29-2007, 11:37 PM
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Good work...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye86
A combination of reading Ohio State books I received for Christmas and watching Penn State in their bowl game tonight has inspired me to do a comparison between linebackers from both schools.
Ohio State players in scarlet
Penn State players in blue
Total Tackles - Career
1. 572 Marcus Marek '79-'82
2. 569 Tom Cousineau '75-'78
3. 546 Chris Spielman '84-'87
4. 408 Steve Tovar '89-'92
5. 394 A.J. Hawk '02-'05
6. 379 Pepper Johnson '82-'85
7. 372 Paul Pusluszny '03-'06
8. 345 Alvin Washington '77-'80
9. 343 Greg Buttle '73-'75
10. 338 Ed Thompson '74-'76
11. 336 Glen Cobb '79-'82
12. 331 Mike Doss '99-'02
13. 320 Randy Gradishar '71-'73
14. 316 Kelton Dansler '75-'78
15. 315 Brian Gelzheiser '91-'94
Total Tackles - Season1. 211 Tom Cousineau '78
2. 205 Chris Spielman '86
3. 178 Marcus Marek '82
4. 172 David Adkins '77
5. 165 Greg Buttle '74
6. 156 Chris Spielman '87
156 Rowland Tatum '83
7. 149 Ed Thompson '76
8. 148 Marcus Marek '81
9. 147 Tom Cousineau '76
10. 146 Alvin Washington '78
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Linebackers Drafted (from 1970)
(Selection #)
First Round (8,3)
(1) Tom Cousineau '79
(2) LaVar Arrington '00
(5) A.J. Hawk '06
(8) Shane Conlan '87
(8) Ed O'Neil '74
(13) Rick Middleton '74
(14) Randy Gradishar '74
(18) Bobby Carpenter '06
(23) Bob Brudzinski '77
(28) Andy Katzenmoyer '99
(30) Craig Powell '95
Second Round (2,7)
(27) Doug Allen '74
(29) Chris Spielman '88
(33) Paul Posluszny '07
(34) Mark D'Onofrio '92
(34) Scott Radecic '84
(34) Jack Ham '71
(43) Matt Millen '80
(46) Andre Collins '90
(51) Pepper Johnson '86Third Round (4,8)
(59) Steve Tovar '93
(67) Greg Buttle '76
(69) Lance Mehl '80
(71) Jim Laslavic '73
(72) Dennis Onkotz '70
(73) Walker Lee Ashley '83
(74) Terry Killens '96
(76) Anthony Schlegel '06
(77) Lorenzo Styles '95
(78) Kurt Allerman '77
(83) Keith Goganious '92
(86) Cie Grant '03
Fourth Round (6,4)
(84) Don Graham '87
(86) Al Washington '81
(91) Jim Laughlin '80
(98) Na'il Diggs '00
(98) John Ebersole '70
(100) Bruce Elia '75
(105) Anthony Griggs '82
(105) Brandon Short '00
(105) Rogers Alexander '86
(112) Matt Wilhelm '03
Fifth Round (3,5)
(114) Ron Crosby '77
(116) Bruce Bannon '73
(119) Jim Cope '75(146) Phil Yeboah-Kodie '95
(148) Larry Kubin '81
(164) Tim Shaw '07
(165) Rob Reynolds '04
(167) Courtland Bullard '02
Sixth Round (1,5)
(136) John Skorupan '73
(152) Chet Parlavecchio '82
(153) Rich McKenzie '93
(155) Quintus McDonald '89
(180) Eric Ravotti '94
(189) Matt Finkes '97
Seventh Round (3,3)
(165) Doug Adams '71
(170) Chris Devlin '75
(176) Byron Lee '86
(182) Rich Milot '79
(193) Larry Kolic '86
(217) Rob Holmberg '94
Eighth Round (0,2)
(209) Andre Powell '92
(213) Reggie Givens '93
Ninth Round (1,1)(234) Scott Leach '87
(247) Bob Ontko '87
Tenth Round (1,1)
(252) Aaron Brown '78
(267) Tom DePaso '78
Eleventh Round (0,1)
(282) Keith Karpinski '89
Twelfth Round (1,1)
(294) Tom Hull '74
(304) Vic Koegel '74
Seventeenth Round (1,1)
(421) Dave Graf '75
(438) Stan White '72
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Total Drafted Since 1970
Ohio State: 31
Penn State: 42
Total Drafted Since 1985
Ohio State: 18
Penn State: 20
Total Drafted Since 1995
Ohio State: 12
Penn State: 6
First thing that jumps out is how much better Ohio State players' numbers were during their college careers. Clear advantage to Ohio State there.
On the other hand, Penn State has had more linebackers drafted since 1970 and it is easy to see how they earned the nickname "Linebacker U".
At the same time, it's easy to see that the pendulum is swinging Ohio State's way as far as recent talent at the linebacker position.
With Dan Connor, James Laurinaitis and Marcus Freeman soon to be entering the draft these numbers should change again soon. It will be interesting to see which school has more linebackers drafted in the near future.
No matter what happens, it is an interesting debate, but I think it's clear that Ohio State has made a strong case for the title "Linebacker U" over the years and that case should only get stronger in the near future.
(p.s. I have too much time on my hands)
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Awesome work, just a small thing. Doss was a safety. Nice work, and definite greenies.
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12-30-2007, 12:01 AM
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Awesome work, just a small thing. Doss was a safety. Nice work, and definite greenies.
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I know, I just went with the leading career tacklers from both schools and didn't worry about position. I was going to put a little side note in there pointing out that only two players in Penn State's history have made more tackles than a safety at Ohio State, but by the time I got done putting it all together I forgot to. I did find that pretty humorous when I ran across it though.
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12-30-2007, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Buckeye86
I know, I just went with the leading career tacklers from both schools and didn't worry about position. I was going to put a little side note in there pointing out that only two players in Penn State's history have made more tackles than a safety at Ohio State, but by the time I got done putting it all together I forgot to. I did find that pretty humorous when I ran across it though.
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What makes it more eye opening is that Doss played behind a linebacking core that included Wilhelm, Reynolds and Grant and still accumulated that many tackles. Guess that goes to show you why he was a three time All American.
I also took notice that we may have only had 2 LB's taken in the second round but I think they both did all right didn't they? And none of this takes into account either someone like Vrabel who was a DE at tOSU but converted to a LB in the NFL. No disrespect to PSU, they have a great tradition but as far as current excellence at the position they just can't hold up. But I guess we can let them keep their title for now, we already have Defensive Back U locked up anyway.
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12-31-2007, 03:24 AM
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This confirms something I've been saying all along, many Big Ten schools have an amazing defense, not just Penn State. The defense of Big Ten schools is responsible for a lot of exciting, but low scoring games, such as two of Michigan's games this year (against Penn State and against Ohio State).
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Excellent post. Don't read up on TOSU history like I did when I was younger, and this post definately brought back some nice memories of some great Buckeye players. Well Done!
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