Ohio State 3, Southern Cal 35 (Sept. 13)

[BuckeyeGanoosh]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeTillIDie

Except this year we can infuse a freaking spark plug at QB in key situations, hopefully to make the scores not as close as 02

It's funny because even with the close scores, that team always made me feel like they would pull it out. Our current team hasn't been in the hole much, and plays uncomfortably as such.

[generaladm]

Originally Posted by troy#1

Only if its an inexperienced defense! I still think CPC is gonna try and make TB pass. Just my opinion.

Even the most experienced Ds can be fooled by a play fake. In the 06 OSU/UM game, a very experienced UM D that was ranked in the top 2 IIRC, bit hook, line, and sinker on a brilliantly executed PA pass, resulting in a Smith to Ginn TD. There's a good reverse angle shot at the 50sec mark. You can see the safety moving up to play the run, allowing Ginn to beat the CB to the inside. The RB on the play? Chis "Beanie" Wells.

YouTube - Troy Smith vs michigan 2006

I expect PCP will try to shut down the run, and make our O one dimensional. I actually expect every team will use that strategy. Stopping Beanie (and the other backs) is a lot easier said than done. As long as TB is not forced to throw on every down, I don't see him as a liability.

Originally Posted by DaddyBigBucks

Beanie will make every defense respect the run, and that makes passing easier.

But reading play-action is not about how good the back is. The QB, the Back and even the linemen sometimes give it away with their stance, their first step, or where they look. Yes, self-scouting helps to weed some of that out; but there's still enough there that guys like Chris Spielman (and Dick Butkus before him) could make a living off of it in the NFL where there should be enough practice time to eliminate those kinds of "tells".

I see what you're saying, DBB, but the effectiveness of the RB does have an impact on the PA. I would say that establishing the run is the most important factor. If the front 7 can shut down the run without safety support, the DBs have no reason to worry about anything but their assignment. The DBs don't have to be completely fooled on the PA, as long as they hesitate or take a step up, the WRs should get separation.

You are dead on about the PA being a team effort. Even the WRs have a part to play. Michael Jenkins was especially adept at selling the run by faking a block before continuing his route. The O-line's job is particularly difficult, since they have to pretend to run block without moving forward. I heard Spielman say on the radio that he always knew when a PA was coming by watching the OL before the snap. He couldn't put his finger on anything specific, but he claimed he was never fooled in college or NFL.

[Buckeye_in_Cali]

Seriously loving the Carson Palmer trash talk. Makes this whole hype up to the game that much more fun. Good to see pro guys still passionate about their college ties even if they are trashing the Bucks. Trash talk is what makes America great.

[DaddyBigBucks]

Originally Posted by generaladm

...I see what you're saying, DBB, but the effectiveness of the RB does have an impact on the PA...

If you think I said it didn't you missed my point.

[DaddyBigBucks]

Originally Posted by Buckeye_in_Cali

...Trash talk is what makes America great.

There are many things that make America great.

Trash talk is a matter of taste.

There's a difference.

[troy#1]

Originally Posted by generaladm

Even the most experienced Ds can be fooled by a play fake. In the 06 OSU/UM game, a very experienced UM D that was ranked in the top 2 IIRC, bit hook, line, and sinker on a brilliantly executed PA pass, resulting in a Smith to Ginn TD. There's a good reverse angle shot at the 50sec mark. You can see the safety moving up to play the run, allowing Ginn to beat the CB to the inside. The RB on the play? Chis "Beanie" Wells.

YouTube - Troy Smith vs michigan 2006

I expect PCP will try to shut down the run, and make our O one dimensional. I actually expect every team will use that strategy. Stopping Beanie (and the other backs) is a lot easier said than done. As long as TB is not forced to throw on every down, I don't see him as a liability.



I see what you're saying, DBB, but the effectiveness of the RB does have an impact on the PA. I would say that establishing the run is the most important factor. If the front 7 can shut down the run without safety support, the DBs have no reason to worry about anything but their assignment. The DBs don't have to be completely fooled on the PA, as long as they hesitate or take a step up, the WRs should get separation.

You are dead on about the PA being a team effort. Even the WRs have a part to play. Michael Jenkins was especially adept at selling the run by faking a block before continuing his route. The O-line's job is particularly difficult, since they have to pretend to run block without moving forward. I heard Spielman say on the radio that he always knew when a PA was coming by watching the OL before the snap. He couldn't put his finger on anything specific, but he claimed he was never fooled in college or NFL.

The difference is on a pa, you also had to watch troy smith to run as well as wells, and neither receiver is a Ted GINN. Not saying they arent any good, but Ginn was special.