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05-15-2008, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckin Crazy
I think we would be stupid not to put Pryor is on 3rd and short. I mean come on Beanie & Pryor in the backfeild. Nothing else could possibly strike as much fear into a Defenses eyes then 2 #1 recruits(and Army All American MVP's) in the same backfield on 3rd down.
That would completly take the will out of the defense. Not to mention a redzone option would be very nice.
I'll kind of be mad if we don't utilize Pryors ability's to the fullest this season.
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I can only see it now...Or how about a shotgun spread with Beanie and Saine in the backfield on either side of Pryor...
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05-16-2008, 09:16 AM
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I can only see it now...Or how about a shotgun spread with Beanie and Saine in the backfield on either side of Pryor...
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The potential threat of having 3 athletes of that caliber in the backfield at the same time is scary! |
05-16-2008, 10:09 AM
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With even a decent year Boeckman will get a strong look by the NFL, if for no other reason than because it will be another weak QB draft year.
I think he ends up in the NFL. 
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05-16-2008, 11:18 AM
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Get Rolle on the field - I wanna see some damage!
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We can also use common sense. Every other QB that has been with JT for two or more seasons progressed nicely. My faith lies not in Todd improving by himself, but rather Jim Tressel improving him.
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I think I saw a post like this before and I saw a "Scarlet colored glasses off" response (probably in this thread somewhere - maybe by O8ch) that went something like this:
QBs under JT at tOSU:
Krenzel - won a NC - heart of a lion. Was he really vastly improved in 2003? Questionable answer here. We can all note that 2003 was a difficult year for many reasons, but you could make a case that Krenzel didn't "progress nicely".
Zwick - Did not progress nicely.
Smith - Heisman - outstanding progress as a human being and a player, thank you very much.
TB - To be determined.
I love JT and what he has done for tOSU and I actually like what's happening at the QB position. I also have stated repeatedly in this thread that I believe (maybe just hope) Todd will play like he did early last year all this season. But there's a case to be made that we haven't seen the nice progression we've all assumed.
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05-16-2008, 11:47 AM
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Good observations, but -
I would say that: those who get starter's reps, Tressel gets the most out of.
Whether or not CK became more than he was in '02, who among us would suggest that JT did not get the most out of CK's natural ability? Certainly not me.
As for JZ/TS: JZ probably would have done well with a great OL and a running game. He had neither. When Troy had a more credible running game (and OL) in '05, he did more than progress nicely.
Which brings us back to CK: I realize that you acknowledged this, but CK would have looked much better with a credible running threat in '03. He did not have that luxury.
Which brings us all the way back to Boeckman. We have good reason to expect that he may have the best OL in front of him that any OSU QB has had in a decade. And do you think, just maybe, he'll have a credible running threat in the backfield with him? (understatement font)
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05-16-2008, 11:54 AM
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The argument that an above average QB could take us to a very good record but a special QB wins championships is a very powerful argument. However, you have to take into mind that emprical evidence does not support that view. Chris Leak was not a special QB. He was talked about as a mistake-prone SR who never progressed or lived up to his potential. What happened? UF's OLs and DLs came thru and UF took home the title. Against the special QB in Troy Smith nonetheless. And look LSU. Can anyone honestly say that Matt Mauk? or whatever his name is, is a special QB? I think the opinion on him before the game was quite on the contrary, that he was a mistake prone QB and average at best with below average completion percentage. But look what happen. The kid came to play ball and his OL and skill position players backed him up.
We have the best back that we prolly ever had and a great defense that rivals the '05 and '02 defenses. If QB and playcalling does not cost us, we should be fine.
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05-16-2008, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tresselbeliever
The argument that an above average QB could take us to a very good record but a special QB wins championships is a very powerful argument. However, you have to take into mind that emprical evidence does not support that view. Chris Leak was not a special QB. He was talked about as a mistake-prone SR who never progressed or lived up to his potential. What happened? UF's OLs and DLs came thru and UF took home the title. Against the special QB in Troy Smith nonetheless. And look LSU. Can anyone honestly say that Matt Mauk? or whatever his name is, is a special QB? I think the opinion on him before the game was quite on the contrary, that he was a mistake prone QB and average at best with below average completion percentage. But look what happen. The kid came to play ball and his OL and skill position players backed him up.
We have the best back that we prolly ever had and a great defense that rivals the '05 and '02 defenses. If QB and playcalling does not cost us, we should be fine.
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And that's what we're all wondering about. If TB doesn't make the mistakes and seem rattled, then I think we have a chance to win it all. The alternative, I'd rather not think about.
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05-16-2008, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Tresselbeliever
The argument that an above average QB could take us to a very good record but a special QB wins championships is a very powerful argument. However, you have to take into mind that emprical evidence does not support that view. Chris Leak was not a special QB. He was talked about as a mistake-prone SR who never progressed or lived up to his potential. What happened? UF's OLs and DLs came thru and UF took home the title. Against the special QB in Troy Smith nonetheless. And look LSU. Can anyone honestly say that Matt Mauk? or whatever his name is, is a special QB? I think the opinion on him before the game was quite on the contrary, that he was a mistake prone QB and average at best with below average completion percentage. But look what happen. The kid came to play ball and his OL and skill position players backed him up.
We have the best back that we prolly ever had and a great defense that rivals the '05 and '02 defenses. If QB and playcalling does not cost us, we should be fine.
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Matt Flynn, but yes I get your point!
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