2008 tOSU WR discussion (official thread)

[Buckeyecty4]

Originally Posted by 'BusNative

Ok, why?



Really?

So since 2004, tOSU has had 4 NFL receivers - 3 who went first round and have really contributed.

Let's look at #1 receivers


2004 - Santonio Holmes
769 total yards, 14 ypc, 64.1 ypg, 7 TD's

2005 - Santonio Holmes
977 total yards, 18.4 ypc, 81.4 ypg, 11 TD's

2006 - Ted Ginn Jr.
781 total yards, 13.2 ypc, 60.1 ypg, 9 TD's

2007 - Brian Robiskie
935 total yards, 17.0 ypc, 71.9 ypg, 11 TDs

So... no #1 receiver, except the guy who most clearly matches the last true #1 receiver who was the first overall receiver taken in his draft and is a major contributor for the Steelers?



Ray Small freshman year:
8 receptions, 68 total yards, 8.5 ypc, 6.8 ypg, 1 TD

Ray Small sophomore year:
20 receptions, 267 total yards, 13.4 ypc, 24.3 ypg, 2 TDs (started the year with an injury)

seems like improvement to me



Dane (12 games) and Taurian (only 5 games) freshman year:
combined for:
15 receptions, 135 total yards, 2 TDs

Not a ton of exposure, but not nothing. Not to mention they played behind 1,896 total yards on 127 total receptions from the top 3 receivers and an offense that features a ridiculous RB...



Umm, considering who they're playing behind, who knows? But when was the last time tOSU hauled 2 4-star receivers and a 5-star receiver?



I don't know what that means, but if this is an atypical receiving unit, its better, not worse.

IMO, Robiskie isnt near the level of Holmes.. I dont care about the numbers he put up against our patsy schedule.. he should be putting up number likes that when he's facing DBs who are mediocre..

As stated above the defenses that got physical with him shut him down..

We can argue what the definition of a #1 is, but to me it's a guy who's gonna be a sure fire 1st round draft pick and a guy who is gonna rise up in the big game, get open, and makes catches (including tough ones).. It's a guy when the big game comes up, u have total confidence he's gonna do his thing..

Quite frankly, I know have no idea what Robiskie will do vs USC, vs another SEC opponent, vs Vontae Davis, etc... I knew what Santonio was gonna do, i knew what Jenkins was gonna do, etc.. I honestly dont have the confidence to come out and say that Robo will handle whatever top CB they throw at him..

Do you??

As for Small.. u can show me his numbers, a whoppin increase of 12 catches and 1 TD.. he was like the #6 WR as a frosh, and was the #3 this yr.. to only have 12 more catches and 1 more TD is hardly showing great development from year 1 to 2... for a player hyped as much as he was coming out of HS, youd expect more development by this stage..

Can you honestly say you know what Ray Small is gonna bring in 2008? Many Buckeye fans i know dont even know if he's gonna get PT in 2008 with guys like Posey and Thomas coming in..

Im just scratching my head when u say this is "an atypical WR unit at OSU, it's better"... You serious? You like this upcoming WR core better than the 04/05
unit of Holmes, Ginn, Gonzo? Ginn, Gonzo, Robiskie, Hartline, Hall of 06?? How about 03 of Jenkins, Carter, Holmes? Not even gonna go back to the 90s WR cores..

Seriously, how can u view this upcoming group as being better than the typical OSU WR core?

[BB73]

Originally Posted by Buckeyecty4

Robiskie couldnt hold Santonio's jock.. I dont care about the numbers he put up against our patsy schedule.. he should be putting up number likes that when he's facing DBs who are mediocre..

When you're comparing the relative abliities of different Buckeyes, you need to avoid phrases like the one that started out your post. Praising one while bashing another doesn't work here.

[BayBuck]

Originally Posted by Buckeyecty4

We can argue what the definition of a #1 is, but to me it's a guy who's gonna be a sure fire 1st round draft pick and a guy who is gonna rise up in the big game, get open, and makes catches (including tough ones).. It's a guy when the big game comes up, u have total confidence he's gonna do his thing.

Sounds an awful lot like Robiskie to me...

['BusNative]

Originally Posted by Buckeyecty4

Robiskie couldnt hold Santonio's jock.. I dont care about the numbers he put up against our patsy schedule.. he should be putting up number likes that when he's facing DBs who are mediocre..

As stated above the defenses that got physical with him shut him down..

We can argue what the definition of a #1 is, but to me it's a guy who's gonna be a sure fire 1st round draft pick and a guy who is gonna rise up in the big game, get open, and makes catches (including tough ones).. It's a guy when the big game comes up, u have total confidence he's gonna do his thing..

Quite frankly, I know have no idea what Robiskie will do vs USC, vs another SEC opponent, vs Vontae Davis, etc... I knew what Santonio was gonna do, i knew what Jenkins was gonna do, etc.. I honestly dont have the confidence to come out and say that Robo will handle whatever top CB they throw at him..

Do you??

As for Small.. u can show me his numbers, a whoppin increase of 12 catches and 1 TD.. he was like the #6 WR as a frosh, and was the #3 this yr.. to only have 12 more catches and 1 more TD is hardly showing great development from year 1 to 2... for a player hyped as much as he was coming out of HS, youd expect more development by this stage..

Can you honestly say you know what Ray Small is gonna bring in 2008? Many Buckeye fans i know dont even know if he's gonna get PT in 2008 with guys like Posey and Thomas coming in..

You said no #1 receiver. It's clear that there is a #1 receiver. Whether or not you think Robo is the best #1 receiver we've had lately is simply your opinion, and a different issue.

As far as Small is concerned, let's just trust the coaches.

[MUBuck]

Originally Posted by bukIpower

So My question is why are our reciever physical in the running game but aren't physical enough to fight off DB's when running routes? Like I said, it would figure if you're good at blocking the DB away from the RB's that you'd be more than adequate at running a route when being pressed.

I see what you're saying about being physical, but run blocking and beating a press off the ball are really unrelated. The basis of run blocking is staying on your guy, while the basis of beating a press is getting away from your guy. Technique is equally important in both aspects, yet are completely different.

[Buckeyecty4]

Originally Posted by 'BusNative

You said no #1 receiver. It's clear that there is a #1 receiver. Whether or not you think Robo is the best #1 receiver we've had lately is simply your opinion, and a different issue.

Every team has a #1 WR... that is not what im talking about obviously..

I dont think Brian Robiskie heading into his senior year meets my criteria as a #1 WR.. It's my opinion, isnt that what this thread is about?

I dont feel as confident about our WR core as i have in the past.. I dont this it's a strong point of our team..

I dont really know why people are getting one me over Ray Small... he hasnt made a significant impact to date.. so Im not going to assume he just goes nuts in 2008..

[Buckeyecty4]

Originally Posted by BayBuck

Sounds an awful lot like Robiskie to me...

I dont wanna knock Robo anymore, he's Buckeye.. but he's not a sure fire first rounder.. And he's had two absolutely critical drops in the past two NC games.. tough grabs to make, but catches that the top guys make.. those are leaving a sour taste in my mouth..

Lets see what he does in 08.. best thing about CFB, is that guys make big leaps from year to year, so maybe he'll turn into one of the best WR in the land.. He's gotta get better at getting off press coverage and he's gotta get stronger fighting for the ball in the air.. at this point, the feeling outside Cbus is that he's a good WR, but not amongst the best.. i would agree