2008 tOSU WR discussion (official thread)

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

Originally Posted by osugrad21

Besides the comment BB73 addressed, I don't see anything from cty4 that merits some of the cracks some of you are aiming his way.

He is presenting an argument and backing it up...some of you don't like it and are simply throwing jabs at him. You can either step up with a valid counter argument or you can wait and read those are doing so, but the comments stop now. The schedule did suck...that should not sting anyone by now.

I tend to agree with his argument...at least to an extent. I don't think this is a surefire dominant unit. I see a ton of potential, but I don't see that one guy that you have to find on every play. Robo made some great plays, but then he also disappeared for long stretches. Hartline is adequate and hopefully will be more of a weapon this year. The young guys who got experience this year should be even better this season...incoming freshman are talented, but need to produce to convince me they can make an impact.

I don't see a gamebreaker...the legend of Ray Small has diminished to the point that he almost must have a big year just to vindicate some of the hype.

I think "pre injury" Robiskie was well on his way to being the type of reciever you would expect to be the "#1" guy at OSU to be.

The biggest problem, IMO, was the lack of "step up" by those behind him when he did get injured.

Ray Small was a HUGE disappointment for me. Has plenty of time to give that a 180 but I expected him to be a GREAT Z reciever.

[osugrad21]

Originally Posted by OSUBuckeye4Life

I think "pre injury" Robiskie was well on his way to being the type of reciever you would expect to be the "#1" guy at OSU to be.

The biggest problem, IMO, was the lack of "step up" by those behind him when he did get injured.

Ray Small was a HUGE disappointment for me. Has plenty of time to give that a 180 but I expected him to be a GREAT Z reciever.

True on all points.

In reality, we are all spoiled after the last decade...

[Sportsbuck28]

Originally Posted by Buckeyecty4

Robiskie was not a first round pick.. cmon, can we be serious here.. And to say he has the best technique of any WR in the country just isnt being objective..

Which obviously explains why he was projected as being a first rounder and has been said to have the best technique of any WR in the country.

Purdue is a mediocre football team.. lets call it like it was.. I dont want to hear about it being a night game in Boiler Maker country.. we should take Purdue behind the woodshed every yr we play them, especially of late.. they dont have anywhere near the talent Ohio St. has..

Oh really? All I said about that was his TD catch against them reminded me of Teddy against Texas. Hell, Robo had the Big Ten Catch of the Year against Minnesota and you don't see anyone besides Sniper complaining about the competition he did it against.

Im not bashing.. i am being objective about the situation.. you can find 100 receivers in the nation who put up the same numbers Ray Small did.. yet your touting him as making major strides and counting on him to be one of the core guys in what you tout as a "atypical OSU WR core" one that u believe is better than we usually field..

Looking straight at the numbers, Sam Bradford is the nation's top QB based on his passer rating and Kevin Smith is the nation's top RB based on his rushing yards. You've got to look past the numbers. Small put up 20 catches for 267 yards and 2 TD's (13.4 TPC) despite missing the first two games of the season. That's the biggest thing people forget is that he didn't play the first two games. Hell, that might be one reason for the numbers. Besides, the biggest strides in a players' career are made in the off-season of their first year really playing.

As for the 4 first rounders.. You are not going to find a bigger Devier Posey fan than me.. I also love Lamaar Thomas, and think Stoney is gonna be a stud.. but are any of these guys gonna come in a make huge impacts... maybe, just maybe Devier does.. so i dont know how projecting them as first rounders 3-4 yrs from now applies to the discussion "2008 WRs"

It does when those guys will be playing for us in 2008. The only reason I brought it up was because of your original claims that Robo wasn't a first round prospect.. which he was.

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

Originally Posted by Buckeyecty4

As for the 4 first rounders.. You are not going to find a bigger Devier Posey fan than me.. I also love Lamaar Thomas, and think Stoney is gonna be a stud.. but are any of these guys gonna come in a make huge impacts... maybe, just maybe Devier does.. so i dont know how projecting them as first rounders 3-4 yrs from now applies to the discussion "2008 WRs"

I'll add that I feel Stoney will have the biggest chance at impacting the WR corp this year. Why? He brings a dimension we don't have WR.

Just my $.02.

[BUCKYLE]

One critical element some are overlooking here, imo.

Troy Smith > 1st year starter Todd Boeckman

A Heisman winner at QB has a way of making recievers look at least a little better, no? Put '06 Troy on last years team and people are singing a different song about Robo. Just my .02.

[Buckeyecty4]

Originally Posted by Sportsbuck28

Which obviously explains why he was projected as being a first rounder and has been said to have the best technique of any WR in the country.


Oh really? All I said about that was his TD catch against them reminded me of Teddy against Texas. Hell, Robo had the Big Ten Catch of the Year against Minnesota and you don't see anyone besides Sniper complaining about the competition he did it against.


Looking straight at the numbers, Sam Bradford is the nation's top QB based on his passer rating and Kevin Smith is the nation's top RB based on his rushing yards. You've got to look past the numbers. Small put up 20 catches for 267 yards and 2 TD's (13.4 TPC) despite missing the first two games of the season. That's the biggest thing people forget is that he didn't play the first two games. Hell, that might be one reason for the numbers. Besides, the biggest strides in a players' career are made in the off-season of their first year really playing.


It does when those guys will be playing for us in 2008. The only reason I brought it up was because of your original claims that Robo wasn't a first round prospect.. which he was.

For the final time.. where was Robiskie projected to be a first rounder? And who has deemed him to have the best technique of any WR in the country?

Sounds like your opinion, which isnt/wasn't shared by most... I have a feeling if I asked u who the best WR in the country was, you'd have Robiskie at the top.. just like youd probably tell me Robo/Hartline is the best 1-2 in the country... you're not being objective..

Dont know what your point about Small looking like Ginn for one play.. who cares.. And fine, he didnt play 2 games.. in the 11 he did play he had 20 catches, and 2 TDs.. those numbers arent impressive ... and if u really did look past the numbers you'd see that Ray Small had 2-3 moments where he looked like star in the making.. but the majority of time he did play he was a non factor.. If you looked passed the numbers you'd see a receiver who is very inconsistent in a number of areas at the receiver position..

Let me add that the QB probably isnt doing him any favors.. i dont think Todd is great at checking down at this point, and Ray probably is the 3rd or 4th option on most plays.. that being said, if he was living up to the hype with those touches or in practice, he'd be more than the 3rd or 4th option..

Kid has alot to work on and alot to prove..

[Sportsbuck28]

Originally Posted by Buckeyecty4

For the final time.. where was Robiskie projected to be a first rounder? And who has deemed him to have the best technique of any WR in the country?

Uh, did you not hear the announcers in our games rambling on about how highly NFL scouts talked about him? Hell, most mock drafts and experts had him going in the first round. Mel Kiper was hyping him up so much before everyone knew Robo was returning for his senior year. And, a ton of NFL scouts have agreed with that.

Sounds like your opinion, which isnt/wasn't shared by most... I have a feeling if I asked u who the best WR in the country was, you'd have Robiskie at the top.. just like youd probably tell me Robo/Hartline is the best 1-2 in the country... you're not being objective..

Way to definately try to put words in my mouth. Robo isn't the best receiver in the country. I'm not denying that, if I had to choose a top WR IMO it would be Malcolm Kelly from Oklahoma. And, I never said that they were the best 1-2 in the country, so if you could stop attempting to put words in my mouth I'd be much obliged. I said that they were the best 1-2 punch in the Big Ten, and I defy you to find a better 1-2 punch in the Big Ten. Arrington and Manningham can't compete with Robo and Hartline, and they would probably be second.

Dont know what your point about Small looking like Ginn for one play.. who cares.. And fine, he didnt play 2 ga