QB Terrelle Pryor (official thread)

[wadc45]

A) I am surprised at how many people are ready to annoint Pryor as "the next VY" or the "next great quarterback" or as a "transcendent player" or "Heisman contender". Keep in mind a couple of schools began by recruting him as a WR or DE.

B) Henton was not all that great as a junior...his footwork was pretty bad and he completed less than 50% of this passes because he relied on his big arm way too much and threw tons of deep balls. LJB correctly labeled him a "bomber" after watching film of his junior season. His senior season showed marked improvement in technique. To see a great review of Antonio's development as a senior in high school, read this post from the state semis his senior year. We'll see if Terrelle makes similar strides his senior season.

C) While I agree to some extent about the "following a legend" it is a touch early, despite Jaxbuck's comments about everyone loving him down there, to annoint Tebow a legend. He could blow his ACL out tomorrow and never be the same QB again. He does not have the greatest set of QB skills, although that is not completely necessary in the Meyer system. But regardless, he is one snap or a few tough games away from watching things from the sidelines.

[osugrad21]

Henton played for one of the best HS offense/QB gurus in the nation, Rance Gillespie.

While Henton was regarded as "raw," due to his reliance on his athleticism instead of traditional "fundamental" QB attributes, that assessment would likely be different today with the successes of Troy, VY, etc.

Antonio's highlight films showed mostly downfield throws...but don't forget teammate Chris Slaughter was one of the top WRs in the nation also. From those who saw AH in camps or games, he was a well-coached QB for the HS level.

[Taosman]

Henton is waaay further along than Troy was at the same period in development.
But, Pryor has great physical gifts!

[OWUBuckeye51]

C) While I agree to some extent about the "following a legend" it is a touch early, despite Jaxbuck's comments about everyone loving him down there, to annoint Tebow a legend. He could blow his ACL out tomorrow and never be the same QB again. He does not have the greatest set of QB skills, although that is not completely necessary in the Meyer system. But regardless, he is one snap or a few tough games away from watching things from the sidelines.

See Dan Kendra. Perfect example. He got hurt and was converted to FB and I would argue had as much or more pub pre college than Tebow.

[osugrad21]

Originally Posted by OWUBuckeye51

See Dan Kendra. Perfect example. He got hurt and was converted to FB and I would argue had as much or more pub pre college than Tebow.

True, but Kendra was also more interested in becoming a weightroom freak than a QB anyway...the stories of him busting blood vessels in his face while straining on the leg sled are legendary.

[OWUBuckeye51]

Originally Posted by osugrad21

True, but Kendra was also more interested in becoming a weightroom freak than a QB anyway...the stories of him busting blood vessels in his face while straining on the leg sled are legendary.

good call...who the frick cares if your QB can leg press a motor home? last I checked, QBs aren't used for blocking.

[wadc45]

Originally Posted by OWUBuckeye51

good call...who the frick cares if your QB can leg press a motor home? last I checked, QBs aren't used for blocking.

hilarious...still a great example OWU.

Alabama fans are still waiting on Brodie Croyle to live up to the hype. The only thing that seperated him and Powlus was Beano never said anything about Brodie winning three Heismans while in Tuscaloosa.

[LCBuck]

If your kid was a big time RB would you want him going to OSU to compete with Archie in his last couple of years then have to be the guy who replaced him? Thats what Tebow is down here.

PLease tell me I read that incorrectly! Now Florida fans are comparing a two-time Heisman winner with a quarterback that has yet to start a game?? Tebow isn't even in the same stratosphere as Archie. That is a complete insult!

[sandgk]

Originally Posted by Taosman

Henton is waaay further along than Troy was at the same period in development.
But, Pryor has great physical gifts!

I disagree. I think Henton has a long way to go, plus Smith was being asked early to consider other roles before going exclusively to QB, while Henton has (as far as we know) only seen the field or practiced as a QB.

Back to your regularly scheduled TP musings.

[OWUBuckeye51]

Originally Posted by wadc45

hilarious...still a great example OWU.

Alabama fans are still waiting on Brodie Croyle to live up to the hype. The only thing that seperated him and Powlus was Beano never said anything about Brodie winning three Heismans while in Tuscaloosa.

Beano Cook is such a Notre Dame homer I wouldn't be surprised to see a leprechaun hop out of the hybrid goiter/double chin thing he has going.

Sorry, I digress. TP is a stud...does anyone think tOSU offers Sal Battles as a contingency (ATH) plan?

[ScarletBlood31]

Originally Posted by LordJeffBuck

It is quite possible that Pryor's career path at Ohio State would be as follows: red-shirt in 2008; sit behind Henton in 2009 and 2010; start in 2011 and 2012. In reality, not a whole lot different from Troy Smith's career path, and Troy left Columbus with a Heisman.

I don't think it is much like Troy's career path at all. If Pryor were to come to tOSU, he would be coming in as the next big thing, and the "next Vince Young" and be expected to be great. Troy just barely got a scholarship, and had to take a while before most people even knew who he was.

The one thing that would be common would be if Pryor redshirts and then waits to start his redshirt junior year. IMO, if Pryor is that good, Henton would have to be that much better to start over him, even if he's been there longer. Not to mention if Henton is successful, and knows Pryor might take his job his senior year, he could try to go to the NFL after his junior year.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by LCBuck

If your kid was a big time RB would you want him going to OSU to compete with Archie in his last couple of years then have to be the guy who replaced him? Thats what Tebow is down here.

PLease tell me I read that incorrectly! Now Florida fans are comparing a two-time Heisman winner with a quarterback that has yet to start a game?? Tebow isn't even in the same stratosphere as Archie. That is a complete insult!

Jax isn't a floirda fan, and apparently the point he was making went over your head.

[LordJeffBuck]

Originally Posted by ScarletBlood31

I don't think it is much like Troy's career path at all. If Pryor were to come to tOSU, he would be coming in as the next big thing, and the "next Vince Young" and be expected to be great. Troy just barely got a scholarship, and had to take a while before most people even knew who he was.

Troy was an Elite 11 quarterback, and a 4-star prospect according to both Rivals and Scout - I think that a few people "knew who he was" long before Michigan 2004.

If I were a betting man, then I'd put my money on Henton, not Pryor, being "the next big thing". Henton has already had one year in the Ohio State program and is a legitimate candidate to start for the Buckeyes this year, and Pryor hasn't even begun his senior year in high school yet. A lot can happen before Pryor sets foot on any college campus.

It is a rarity for a QB to come into a program and start as a true freshman - Brady Quinn, Isiah Williams, Chris Leak, etc. are the exceptions, not the rule. I would be surprised if Pryor did it. And if Pryor really is the "next Vince Young", then he won't - Young, the number one overall prospect in the country, was a red-shirt at Texas in 2002. (BTW, Michael Vick was also a freshman redshirt, as was JaMarucs Russell).

Lest we forget, Tim Tebow, the QB phenom of the class of 2006, did not start for Florida last season.

[jimotis4heisman]

Originally Posted by LordJeffBuck

Troy was an Elite 11 quarterback, and a 4-star prospect according to both Rivals and Scout - I think that a few people "knew who he was" long before Michigan 2004.

If I were a betting man, then I'd put my money on Henton, not Pryor, being "the next big thing". Henton has already had one year in the Ohio State program and is a legitimate candidate to start for the Buckeyes this year, and Pryor hasn't even begun his senior year in high school yet. A lot can happen before Pryor sets foot on any college campus.

It is a rarity for a QB to come into a program and start as a true freshman - Brady Quinn, Isiah Williams, Chris Leak, etc. are the exceptions, not the rule. I would be surprised if Pryor did it. And if Pryor really is the "next Vince Young", then he won't - Young, the number one overall prospect in the country, was a red-shirt at Texas in 2002. (BTW, Michael Vick was also a freshman redshirt, as was JaMarucs Russell).

Lest we forget, Tim Tebow, the QB phenom of the class of 2006, did not start for Florida last season.

troy also had grade/test score issues. i was told that troy was the second best in the country behind troy. same guy said dandrea was the third best lb in his class.

[LordJeffBuck]

Originally Posted by jimotis4heisman

troy also had grade/test score issues. i was told that troy was the second best in the country behind troy. same guy said dandrea was the third best lb in his class.

Exactly. Troy's "late offer" from Ohio State had absolutely nothing to do with on-the-field talent, everything to do with off-the-field issues.