2008 Ohio State Offense

[generaladm]

I'm just not seeing the real benefit of having TB and TP in the same formation. It would be good for a couple of trick plays, but that's about it. I'm sure it could cause some confusion for opposing Ds, but after seeing a few plays, I think that most DCs would figure it out. One would have to assume that TB would line up under center, with TP at RB or WR. If TB's not under center, he would basically just be a decoy. He's not a real running or passing threat, and he's too valuable to put in to block. So you've got TP in to take a hand-off, go out for a pass, or pass on a trick play. All those possibilities could be effective, but considering the talent at RB and WR, I don't see it as a big improvement over our normal sets. I think on a TP run, especially, it makes more sense to have him in at QB with a regular backfield. That's what he did so well in HS, and having TB on the field would only subtract a blocker from the play. So really, IMO, the only scenario where it would be more effective than a regular set would be a play-action/RB pass. It could no doubt result in some big plays, but adding a whole new formation for something that would probably only be used sparingly doesn't seem worth the time. The whole idea sounds like something to be pulled out only in extreme circumstances. I say leave the trick formations to Boise State.

[jwinslow]

Urban did it quite often, including vs OSU, with success... with similar players. Actually, I'd say Todd is a bit more athletic than Chris.

I definitely hear you, perhaps someone out here can school us on what it's value is beyond shock and gadgetry. It does seem like a high risk low reward.

[BuckeyeMac]

Originally Posted by DaddyBigBucks

So who is BuckCrazy?

Why is he treated with instant credibility bordering on reverence?

Has he posted something in the past that proved to be correct?

This is coming across as more skeptical than I am. I'm genuinely looking for a reason to believe that this guy knows what he's talking about.


Further, it doesn't seem unlikely at all that this would be the approach. JT has always given a QB with experience more opportunity to change plays at the line. This takes it a level beyond that to be sure; but when was the last time that JT had a QB who will have had 6 fall camps under his belt?

Who is this BuckCrazy guy?

[Sportsbuck28]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

Urban did it quite often, including vs OSU, with success... with similar players. Actually, I'd say Todd is a bit more athletic than Chris.

I definitely hear you, perhaps someone out here can school us on what it's value is beyond shock and gadgetry. It does seem like a high risk low reward.

For shock and gadgetry as well as something else to gameplan for. Every minute that DC's spend gameplanning for this and for TP in general helps the passing game as well as Beanie.

Part of me thinks Todd wouldn't mind hitting someone else for a change though.. I hope he was paying attention for Zwick's block at the Alamo Bowl if this info is indeed true.

[Tresselbeliever]

LOL. And all the grief I got a while back after I guessed that Pryor and Boeckman would be on the field at the same time and that Pryor would take carries away from our #2 tailback.

CrazyBuck was the dude people think is Stoneburner, who used to post a lot about the class of '08. BuckCrazy is the '09 version of CrazyBuck, probably an '09 verbal.

[Sportsbuck28]

Originally Posted by Tresselbeliever

CrazyBuck was the dude people think is Stoneburner, who used to post a lot about the class of '08. BuckCrazy is the '09 version of CrazyBuck, probably an '09 verbal.

I think you've got it backwards there because BuckCrazy wiffed on the Jenkins committ call.

[billmac91]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

Urban did it quite often, including vs OSU, with success... with similar players. Actually, I'd say Todd is a bit more athletic than Chris.

I definitely hear you, perhaps someone out here can school us on what it's value is beyond shock and gadgetry. It does seem like a high risk low reward.

This is not complicated at all......Jeff Bowden did this very same thing at FSU...if Chris Rix and Jeff Bowden can install this, it isn't complicated.

All it is, is getting your package to the LOS early, and wait for the play to be called in quickly. Who remembers Rix constantly going under center, then stepping out and getting the play. It forces the defense to stay is a base D...exactly as Buck Crazy said.

That is a huge schematic advantage. Running players in motion is also a great way to read defenses....Ohio State played almost exculsively zone against UF two years, but you knew when they weren't because CB's would move with their man. Putting guy sin motion, can be an advantage to the QB to see what defense they may be in, and move defenders out of areas.

They're small things, but I think it can pay off huge, if executed well.

[DaytonBuck]

I'd be happy to have the offensive line control the line of scrimmage and sledge hammer everyone ala the scUM game last year.

[generaladm]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

Urban did it quite often, including vs OSU, with success... with similar players. Actually, I'd say Todd is a bit more athletic than Chris.

This is true, but UF was not exactly bursting at the seams with RB talent that year. Wynn had 699 yds, Tebow was next with 469, then Harvin at 428, and Moore with 282. It made much more sense for Meyer to have Tebow out there primarily as a rusher, since he had the best ypc on the team. He only made 33 pass attempts that year. Those four players combined for 1,878 yds (which may not be the true team total), OSU returns over 2,500 rushing yards and adds players who could potentially make big contributions (Herron, Pryor, and maybe Flash). There's really no need to have Pryor line up at RB, since carries will already be in short supply for all the experienced RBs. Other than a RB pass, every play that could be run with TB and TP in at the same time would be just as effective with Saine, Flash, Herron, etc. instead of TP. If they do it and it works, I'll love it, but I don't think it's worth the practice time.

[jwinslow]

This is true, but UF was not exactly bursting at the seams with RB talent that year.

Excellent point.

Though think how demoralizing it would be to throw it to Todd in the flats and watch him pick up a first down on the corners raved about by their fans (UM). Losing contain on Troy Smith is one thing, failing to stop a pocket passer on a bubble screen would absolutely take the cake

All it is, is getting your package to the LOS early, and wait for the play to be called in quickly. Who remembers Rix constantly going under center, then stepping out and getting the play. It forces the defense to stay is a base D...exactly as Buck Crazy said.

I mean the Pryor under center, Boeckman to wideout thing. I know the other is a great approach.

[generaladm]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

Though think how demoralizing it would be to throw it to Todd in the flats and watch him pick up a first down on the corners raved about by their fans (UM). Losing contain on Troy Smith is one thing, failing to stop a pocket passer on a bubble screen would absolutely take the cake

If Morgan Trent is involved, we could put Boone at QB and Abdallah at WR. Better still, just have all the non WRs rotate in (maybe just cycle thru by jersey number) so everyone can graduate with at least one reception.

[DaytonBuck]

Originally Posted by generaladm

If Morgan Trent is involved, we could put Boone at QB and Abdallah at WR. Better still, just have all the non WRs rotate in (maybe just cycle thru by jersey number) so everyone can graduate with at least one reception.

Morgan Trent beat Ted Ginn in a track meet thus that scenario would never happen.

[jwinslow]

Originally Posted by DaytonBuck

Morgan Trent beat Ted Ginn in a track meet thus that scenario would never happen.

and he caught Percy Harvin from behind, and is now faster under Barwis, thus shut down D. This isn't sarcasm, it's taken completely seriously by many of their fans, who are setting up some painfully high pedestals for this defense.

Even when Warren develops into a true #1 corner (like he will), teams will get back to picking on Morgan on occasion.

[DaytonBuck]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

and he caught Percy Harvin from behind, and is now faster under Barwis, thus shut down D. This isn't sarcasm, it's taken completely seriously by many of their fans, who are setting up some painfully high pedestals for this defense.

Even when Warren develops into a true #1 corner (like he will), teams will get back to picking on Morgan on occasion.

From listening to Michginia fans Morgan Trent was one of the best athletes in CFB this century. Trent is some super hero level athlete to them. He beat Ginn in the 400 meter once!

[Oneshot]

Am I the only one who gets the feeling that every year we hear about a new crazy revolutionary offense?

TB and TP will never be on the field at the same time.