If tOSU was in the SEC...

[IronBuckI]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

As old as you are Cinci, I'd of expected to see Brown in there somewhere

You'd what?

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by IronBuckI

You'd what?

Trying to fit in here and so I adopted the vernacular of Lima, Ohio - if you must know

[IronBuckI]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Trying to fit in here and so I adopted the vernacular of Lima, Ohio - if you must know

Ah yes. My hometown. Home to would of, should of, and could of.

[Bucklion]

We'd be talking about Southern speed...while ignoring the fact that the schools in the ACC are slow and suck

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

As old as you are Cinci, I'd of expected to see Brown in there somewhere

Stagg (and Cinci) Fears Northwestern.

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Thing is, you'd play at least three spread type offenses. While you would be in the top tier of SEC teams (don't get me wrong, not saying you'd destroy the SEC is not saying you suck), given your recent history you are going to have to show me better success against that type of offense before I could ever jump on a "run the table" prognosis.

'Course, if you played SEC offenses week in and week out your be better able to tweek your D, just like if we played the Big-10 for a season - we'd get better at defensing your strengths. You going with the Pistol seems like y'all are thinking that way too.

Michigan State and Northwestern have run the spread for years before this and Ohio State has only lost to them a scant few times (and it usually wasn't because of the spread itself).....

Out of the biggest tests on that list (Auburn, UGA and Florida) only Florida has the type of offense that Ohio State has struggled with. UGA is more like Ohio State than anyone from the SEC would like to admit and Auburn is putting a new QB in place.

That said, at worst Ohio State goes 10-2 with that schedule.

[martinss01]

Originally Posted by reagdog

Where would they fit in the SEC ranks?
If not in first place, then who would be ranked ahead of them? How many games would they win in 2008 with a full SEC schedule - take LSU's schedule for example:
App St.
Troy
N. Texas
Auburn
Miss. St.
Florida
South Carolina
Georgia
Tulane
Alabama
Ole Miss
Arkansas
Discuss...

where would tOSU fit preseason? id go with #2 behind georgia. with the way they ended the year and the number of starters they have coming back i think they deserve to be #1. how do i think tOSU would fair with that schedule? really well actually. we return nearly our entire team and for the first time since 05, we actually have more than a handful of seniors on the field. looking at this schedule, if we get past georgia there is a real good chance we go undefeated. but i could see as many as 2 losses if the ball doesn't bounce our way. maybe 3.

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

It's my opinion that - if you were an SEC member - there is no damn way that you'd be getting ready to win your 4th consecutive conference title.

i agree completely. if i am remembering correctly both florida in 06 and lsu in 07 had serious injury problems. with that in mind its hard to say who we loose too either season. so depending on the schedule and when we ended up playing certain teams would have a direct impact on our odds of winning out. but i truly believe that either in 06 or in 07 we would have lost atleast 1. if i were a betting man i would put my money on 07. not because i think 07 lsu was better than 06 florida. but rather because i don't think 07 tOSU was near as mature as 06 tOSU. i think last years team was about on par with 06 talent wise. but we were really weak on senior leadership on the field.

and just for the record, we are going for our 3rd straight undisputed big 10 title and 4th straight title period. in 05 we lost to both texas and penn state. penn state won the big 10 because they won head to head with us. we get to claim it because we had the same conference record (psu lost to scum). i have a hard time claiming that title. alot of people would counter with the "conference champ game" argument. but i think that is a flawed argument at best. if we play penn state again in 05 and win... what does that prove? we're 1-1 against penn state. so... whose the champ?

Originally Posted by reagdog

Could they beat Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, etc..?

i believe they could, yes. do you think they are incapable of beating georgia, florida, auburn, or alabama?

Originally Posted by reagdog

What's 2009 going to be like for tOSU if you guys are losing 26 seniors? I know you guys get good recruits, but is 2009 projected to be a down year due to all the younger guys that will have to step up?

guarded optimism. 09 has all the markings of a rebuild year. but we could get lucking and the young guys might really take off. we have as much talent as anyone. but with the youth... its hard to predict. my personal feeling is that we will be in the running for the big 10. as far as whether or not we win it depends largely on how other teams progress this year. penn state has a new qb, wisky is maturing nicely, scum lite is looking better every year, illi is recruiting real well, and who the hell knows what will happen with scum in 2 years under dickrod. its very possible 09 will be a replay of 04 where we dropped 4 conference games. i don't think that will happen, but it is possible.

but, in all reality we all had the same doubts about last years team. last year WAS a rebuild year. we lost count em 9 starters on d in 05. our 06 team had 2 returning starters on d. period. 06 was partly surprising because as a team we had a great offense, but a really talented yet extremely young defense. in 07 we were a team with a very talented yet still pretty green defense that had lost every single skill player on offense. tOSU was picked to finish 3RD in the big ten in 07. us making it to the nc game was a freak occurrence that i can't imagine happening any year not 07.

so while there is good reason to be optimistic, i expect there to e a lot of unknowns going into the 09 season.

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

I hear what you're saying, and I am not jumping up shocked at the assertion, but with all due respect for where I am posting, until you give one of us a beating that involves 31 unanswered points, or hold one of our offenses to 80 something total yards in a big BCS game, you are not going to sway the majority of non-Big-10 fans.

do me a favor, tell me how many teams tOSU has beat by 31 points in the tressel era. let alone scored 31 unanswered.

I say for the millionth time, kick USC's ass, and this all goes away.

oh like hell it does! you just said so yourself! until we beat the best sec team in a "big" bcs bowl and in doing so score 31+ unanswered we deserve no respect. now, seeing as how you said "big" bcs bowl and seeing as how there are 5 of them. one naturally must assume you mean the nc game because well, the other 4 are pretty much the same at this point. you do realize that making it to the nc game isn't a gimmie right? it might be another 50 years before we find our way to another nc game.

people can whine bitch and moan about how we went to the nc game after playing a crap schedule all they want. and ya know what? their absolutely right, our schedule turned out to be pretty weak all things considered. but if THEIR team hadn't choked so [censored]ing bad when they got the opportunity to be #1 or #2 maybe they would actually have something to complain about. its not like tOSU was picked over 3 undefeated teams. just about everyone in college football had their shot at the crown. every single one of them INCLUDING tOSU and lsu balked hard.

[Buckeneye]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

if we played in the cold and rain in November in the Shoe - without having played in anything like it in our own area - the fact that you might beat us in that game would not solely be because you were "tougher", it would partly be because you had plenty of experience dealing with those condidtions and we had not.

the crowd is a big factor - but so is the weather, thats why its called home field advantage. Something the SEC has on lock for bowl games...


I digress

[daddyphatsacs]

Are we really having this discussion? Man.........the damn season needs to hurry up and start.

[cincibuck]

IN MOST BOWL GAMES:

A) One team has a geograpical advantage.

B) One team will be playing in a stadium used by teams in their conference.

C) One team will be playing in a state within their conference area.

D) With the exception of the Motor City Bowl none of those advantages favors a Big 10 team.

You will never convince me that the crowd in the Rose Bowl is evenly split between Big 10 and Pac 10 fans. Likewise any Big 10 Team playing in the Cotton, Orange, Sugar, Citrus, Peach, and whatever game they play in Nashville or Memphis is at a disadvantage compared to any SEC team. Folks in Georgia/Florida/Louisianna/Texas do not go to a game to root for a Northern team against a Southern team. That's a home field advantage.

[redbenn]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

IN MOST BOWL GAMES:

A) One team has a geograpical advantage.

B) One team will be playing in a stadium used by teams in their conference.

C) One team will be playing in a state within their conference area.

D) With the exception of the Motor City Bowl none of those advantages favors a Big 10 team.

You will never convince me that the crowd in the Rose Bowl is evenly split between Big 10 and Pac 10 fans. Likewise any Big 10 Team playing in the Cotton, Orange, Sugar, Citrus, Peach, and whatever gmae they play in Nashville or Memphis is at a disadvantage compared to any SEC team. Folks in Georgia/Florida/Louisianna/Texas do not go to a game to root for a northern team against a Southern team. That's a home field advantage.

Well we have a larger fan base in AZ, and much more fans in Glendale for the BCS Champ game... but the one thing bowls always do is allow teams get to full strength. So during the season, sure UF was not as good of a team, with injuries, but that layoff wasnt as much as us getting complacient/tired(even though its more than 1/2 a season of a break) as it allowed Florida (and LSU for that matter) to get their injured players healthy.

Thats my biggest gripe about bowls, location, meh (I loved going south, who wants to be in the midwest in Jan)... the layoff doesn't always equal the regular season team that got them to the bowl.

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

IN MOST BOWL GAMES:

A) One team has a geograpical advantage.

B) One team will be playing in a stadium used by teams in their conference.

C) One team will be playing in a state within their conference area.

D) With the exception of the Motor City Bowl none of those advantages favors a Big 10 team.

You will never convince me that the crowd in the Rose Bowl is evenly split between Big 10 and Pac 10 fans. Likewise any Big 10 Team playing in the Cotton, Orange, Sugar, Citrus, Peach, and whatever game they play in Nashville or Memphis is at a disadvantage compared to any SEC team. Folks in Georgia/Florida/Louisianna/Texas do not go to a game to root for a Northern team against a Southern team. That's a home field advantage.

Cotton?? Texas??? Bigger, please.....

[daddyphatsacs]

Now home field advantage is something that I tend to agree with when it comes to bowl games. We've opened up a whole new can of worms here. College football (football in general) is heavily influenced by climate, more so than any other sport. Naturally this applies to the bowls in college........which is where most major head to head matchups appear.

[generaladm]

The Tennessee blog Losers with Socks has this all figured out.

LSU/thUGA/UF/Auburn/UT vs. tOSU. No matter which team ?plays? the Failboats or their Bitch Michigan, the best conference wins by 5 Touchdowns
Florida vs. Wisconsin. (Florida) Wisconsin lost to
Tennessee who got manhandled by Florida.
LSU vs. Illinois. (LSU) don?t see how any upright walking human would give Illinois a chance to even score a FG
Auburn vs. Penn State. (Auburn) I seriously don?t think Penn State could move the ball past the 50 yard line
Alabama vs. Purdue. (Alabama) There is no way that Purdue could have the size and speed to defeat the superior mental processing power of Nick Saban. He is just to intellectual.
Tennessee vs. Iowa. (UT of course) Speed kills and the Children of the Corn gonna get hurt real bad
Arkansas vs. Michigan State. (Arkansas) Petrino will have his offense rollin. Michigan State plays in slo-mo
South Carolina vs. Michigan. (South Carolina) Spurrier gets an easy ?W?. oRly? Michigan loses to the Failboats every year. And South Carolina actually makes games against Florida and LSU interesting before settling for a Moral victory. Hope Rich Rod leaves without saying goodby, Michigan Men.
Mississippi State vs. Indiana. (Miss. State) Like a really bad 1970s Porn movie here is Crooming the Hoosiers
Ole Miss vs. Minnesota. (Tossup) Here is a possible token W for the Maybe just maybe the Big 10 wins a game.
Vandy/Kentucky vs. Northwestern (Vandy/Kentucky) What a horribly boring display of football. You know, boring like a tOSU and Michigan ?rivalry? game?

So the top 4 SEC teams beat OSU by 35, and 9 Big Ten teams get shut out. The glaring proof that this guy has no clue about college football (or anything, for that matter) is that he thinks Minnesota is the conference's best shot at a W. Bear in mind that this is coming from people that have been saying "The South Will Rise Again" for the last 120 years. Oops!


Big 10 vs SEC Tournament ? Loser with Socks

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Cotton?? Texas??? Bigger, please.....

Gator; are you telling me a Big 10 team would have the home field advantage playing an SEC team in Dallas?

1. You've obviously never seen the quad in Austin with Bobby Lee, Jeff Davis, Thomas Jackson, Pickett, all the way down to Braxton Bragg, larger than life, each one on his own pedestal. To borrow your phraseology, Dallas?? Big 10 advantage??? Pulllllease.

2. I'd rank Glendale even if it doesn't involve a Pac 10 team and an advantage to the Big 10 if it involves U Miami.

3. It's not a vacation break, RedBenn. It's the bowl season and if it is going to be the determining factor in the NC then it has no business being locked up as the special advantage of the SEC and PAC 10.