2009 tOSU Defense discussion (official thread)

[BB73]

Buckeye 'D' ranked 11th overall by CFN.

CFN

1. Florida
2. Oklahoma
3. USC
4. Va Tech
5. LSU
6. Alabama
7. Pitt
8. Iowa
9. Cal
10. Georgia
11. tOSU
12. Penn St

21. ND
30. Mich St

51. Illinois
52. Wisc
53. TSUN

120. New Mexico St

Cont'd ...

[TheIronColonel]

I'd wager dollars to donuts that OSU finishes the season with better defensive numbers than half the teams above them on that list. Hell, Florida will probably put up about 11 million points on Georgia, so that right there shoots them down.

[generaladm]

Originally Posted by bucksn'boobs

Thanks for the thorough update...

Curious to see Hines deep and Russell in the STAR...odd
A really specific coverage I guess?

I thought that move made sense. Hines is probably a bit faster than Russell at this point. Hines can cover the deeper WR routes, while Russell's experience may give him an edge in recognizing which receivers to stay with/switch off. It would also put Russell a little closer to the line for run support.

[bucksn'boobs]

I would think that Russell is MUCH faster.
Hines is a STAR and plays closer to the line because he's more of a LB than a safety...but a hybrid by definition.
Russell is nowhere close to a LB....that's what I assumed.

You may have better incite than I do on this.

Originally Posted by generaladm

I thought that move made sense. Hines is probably a bit faster than Russell at this point. Hines can cover the deeper WR routes, while Russell's experience may give him an edge in recognizing which receivers to stay with/switch off. It would also put Russell a little closer to the line for run support.

[OregonBuckeye]

Originally Posted by bucksn'boobs

Curious to see Hines deep and Russell in the STAR...odd
A really specific coverage I guess?

Where does it say that? I've looked over the posts a few times and don't see anything but I could be skipping over it.

[bucksn'boobs]

"Osu used 3 safeties often today. Russell moved up to the star position with Hines back deep at safety, often as the deep man."

Originally Posted by OregonBuckeye

Where does it say that? I've looked over the posts a few times and don't see anything but I could be skipping over it.

[OregonBuckeye]

Originally Posted by bucksn'boobs

"Osu used 3 safeties often today. Russell moved up to the star position with Hines back deep at safety, often as the deep man."

Thanks.

[generaladm]

Originally Posted by bucksn'boobs

I would think that Russell is MUCH faster.
Hines is a STAR and plays closer to the line because he's more of a LB than a safety...but a hybrid by definition.
Russell is nowhere close to a LB....that's what I assumed.

You may have better incite than I do on this.

Russell has had some major knee injuries in his OSU career, at least one required surgery. He's never looked quite the same as he did before the injuries. Hines played safety/RB/WR in HS, and was recruited to play safety at OSU. He can play a hybrid role because he's an outstanding tackler, but is still more of a safety than LB, he's not gotten any mention as a LB this season. Hines will take over one of the safety spots when Russell and Coleman graduate. I'm not sure how their 40 times compare, but Hines looked like he had speed to burn last season. I don't think Russell is slow by any means, but I think Hines is a better 1 on 1 matchup on WRs. Last season, as a STAR/NB, Hines sometimes got caught in no-man's-land when he was forced to decide which of two receivers to cover. I think Russell's experience would help him make those types of reads. Both are capable players in either role, but I like the thinking of playing Hines deep. Reminds me of when they played Malcolm Jenkins as the deep safety for nickel and dime packages in 07.

BTW, it's insight.

[NextBuck]

nvm. wrong thread. sorry

[Tresselbeliever]

Originally Posted by generaladm

Russell has had some major knee injuries in his OSU career, at least one required surgery. He's never looked quite the same as he did before the injuries. Hines played safety/RB/WR in HS, and was recruited to play safety at OSU. He can play a hybrid role because he's an outstanding tackler, but is still more of a safety than LB, he's not gotten any mention as a LB this season. Hines will take over one of the safety spots when Russell and Coleman graduate. I'm not sure how their 40 times compare, but Hines looked like he had speed to burn last season. I don't think Russell is slow by any means, but I think Hines is a better 1 on 1 matchup on WRs. Last season, as a STAR/NB, Hines sometimes got caught in no-man's-land when he was forced to decide which of two receivers to cover. I think Russell's experience would help him make those types of reads. Both are capable players in either role, but I like the thinking of playing Hines deep. Reminds me of when they played Malcolm Jenkins as the deep safety for nickel and dime packages in 07.

BTW, it's insight.

Hines was an outside LBer in HS. His speed and blitzing abilities is a very large part of what he brings to the table. Similar in many ways to USC signee Frankie Telfort, who showed some interest in us last year.

[bucksn'boobs]

You sound like you have the inside dope.
I didn't realize Hines was that fast...is the moral of the story here.

interesting insiyte

Originally Posted by generaladm

Russell has had some major knee injuries in his OSU career, at least one required surgery. He's never looked quite the same as he did before the injuries. Hines played safety/RB/WR in HS, and was recruited to play safety at OSU. He can play a hybrid role because he's an outstanding tackler, but is still more of a safety than LB, he's not gotten any mention as a LB this season. Hines will take over one of the safety spots when Russell and Coleman graduate. I'm not sure how their 40 times compare, but Hines looked like he had speed to burn last season. I don't think Russell is slow by any means, but I think Hines is a better 1 on 1 matchup on WRs. Last season, as a STAR/NB, Hines sometimes got caught in no-man's-land when he was forced to decide which of two receivers to cover. I think Russell's experience would help him make those types of reads. Both are capable players in either role, but I like the thinking of playing Hines deep. Reminds me of when they played Malcolm Jenkins as the deep safety for nickel and dime packages in 07.

BTW, it's insight.

[generaladm]

Originally Posted by Tresselbeliever

Hines was an outside LBer in HS. His speed and blitzing abilities is a very large part of what he brings to the table. Similar in many ways to USC signee Frankie Telfort, who showed some interest in us last year.

Looking back, Hines did play OLB at Glenville (senior year), as well as QB. From what I read about his pre-Glenville HS in Georgia, he played mostly RB, with perhaps some WR and S. Even though he played LB last season, it seems he's considered more of a S this year, I haven't heard of him getting any reps at LB going back to spring camp. Regardless, I was just saying that judging speed by position isn't always accurate, especially with an athlete like Hines.

[cbrian815]

Sounds like to me Hines is pushing Anderson to the Nickle spot. I have always thought AR would be a perfect nickle back....because he is so good in coverage. If AR could catch the ball he would have 10 picks at tOSU. Go Bucks

[TJnTN]

you know what's scary?? our defense.....scary for the rest of the nation. With all we lost last year i figured it would at least take a game or two into conference play for the lb's and secondary to come into their own......but HOLY SHNIKES they are leaps and bounds ahead of schedule. The dline was as advertised maybe even better. The bottled up the SC running game most all the night. The coverage we got from our secondary was outstanding. They broke up some big plays and even the plays they didn't break up, they were there to challenge the pass. Never expected Torrence to play the way he did....he played his [censored] off. It's hard to pick my favorite play by this defense from last night but the play that made me the proudest.....the play that made me stick out my chest and say [censored] you ESPN, Mark May, SEC fans, etc......was Brian Rolle chasing down that back on the edge. It may not have been the most exciting play or the biggest hit....but I thought it said a lot about this defense. The LB core is going to be special when it's all said and done.

[TheIronColonel]

Held USC to 118 yards on 40 carries (2.9 YPC) and Barkley to a 91 passer rating (6.0 YPA). Discounting the easy TD that the INT set up, this was easily the best performance you could possibly expect. They played lights out all night. Take that as a major positive from last night's game.