Southern California at tOSU (Sept 12th, 8 pm, ESPN)

[jmorbitz]

Originally Posted by troy#1

I will use last year as an example. We lost to oregon st barely, then won the next 8 games by an ave. score of 43-7 and still went to the rose bowl. Not what I would call media darlings.

So SC lost to Oregon St. in late September, and went on a tear like every year. If you didn't hear how many journalists, media outlets, and writers that were calling for Florida vs. SC and not Oklahoma, I don't know what you're reading or listening too. There were 4 teams last year, UF, UTex, OU, and USC, that were viable for a MNC, USC and UTex got snubbed. Say what you want about them not getting there, but to say that people weren't calling for SC to play UF, I just don't understand. Hell, that's what I wanted to see.

Now, I don't get a vote, so I don't know what the journalists do with them. They could say we want SC, which they do frequently, then vote for OU. I don't know, I'm just saying there were many reasons, a loss, no champ game (ridiculous), perceived strength of conf., the most prolific offense we've seen in CFB, etc. that weigh in people's minds. It wasn't clear cut last year, to me maybe, but to the people with votes, who matter alot more than you or I, it was a difficult decision on who to send to the MNC. The media loves SC, they and PC are great for CFB. The media loves tOSU too, but when they and the Big Ten aren't getting thrashed in OOC and BCS Bowl games. The media loves the SEC because they've won OOC, except against SC, and MNC's against the Big Ten, and the conference plays solid football. The media loves the Big 12 because electrifying offenses like we saw last year are entertaining as hell. The media loves CFB because it's very entertaining, same reason we like it. But there are certain programs, SC being one of them, that are going to catch a break at some point because the program is that good, and has been that good. That's why it's not surprising that even though SC was sent to the Rose Bowl, there was still a contingent in the media that wanted SC in the MNC. This is how I feel "media darlings" are represented, whether whatever program goes to the BCS or not.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by troy#1

I hear the same thing EVERY year, yet I also hear how they shouldnt have lost a game against a conf. team like ore. st, ucla, or stanford, ALL close games, and no SC in mnc game. So,where is that pass you speak of?

Reread my post. You lose to use closely to us and pound the rest of the schedule, you'll get in.

As for last year's loss at Oregon State, you had no business losing that game, whereas losing a close game 2,000 miles from home to a perennial national powerhouse is relatively acceptable.

[buckeyeguy11]

now we want to get out at usc? After last year I think we should be bring a better defense out this year. Tressele thought that he would be good with Boekman I'm not bashing him but... I see that pryor could have done better if he had played more. I think that this year he's going to be older and better and ready to go!

[BUCKYLE]

Originally Posted by buckeyeguy11

Tressele

Seriously?

[leroyjenkins]

Originally Posted by buckeyeguy11

now we want to get out at usc? After last year I think we should be bring a better defense out this year. Tressele thought that he would be good with Boekman I'm not bashing him but... I see that pryor could have done better if he had played more. I think that this year he's going to be older and better and ready to go!

I think you meant prior, right?

[Taosman]

Originally Posted by BUCKYLE

Seriously?

It's Tressel en francais!

[BUCKYLE]

Originally Posted by Taosman

It's Tressel en francais!

Ich spreche Dork nicht. Schade.

[troy#1]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

Reread my post. You lose to use closely to us and pound the rest of the schedule, you'll get in.

As for last year's loss at Oregon State, you had no business losing that game, whereas losing a close game 2,000 miles from home to a perennial national powerhouse is relatively acceptable.

I dont need to re-read the post. You pointed out since the Pete Carroll era, or I think the year you used was 2003 the media has had a lovefest with him and SC, so I was refering to previous years for the pass, not this season coming up.
And why did SC have no business losing that game to OSU? I have said it many times, I as a SC fan, ALWAYS worry more about conference play than ANY ooc game. OSU has had decent teams since coach Riley has been there, and they always play SC tough at home.
The only game that had me scratching my head was stanford. No excuse there. As for ucla, there is so much hate there, records dont mean much in that game, they let it all hang out.

[troy#1]

Originally Posted by jmorbitz

So SC lost to Oregon St. in late September, and went on a tear like every year. If you didn't hear how many journalists, media outlets, and writers that were calling for Florida vs. SC and not Oklahoma, I don't know what you're reading or listening too. There were 4 teams last year, UF, UTex, OU, and USC, that were viable for a MNC, USC and UTex got snubbed. Say what you want about them not getting there, but to say that people weren't calling for SC to play UF, I just don't understand. Hell, that's what I wanted to see.

Now, I don't get a vote, so I don't know what the journalists do with them. They could say we want SC, which they do frequently, then vote for OU. I don't know, I'm just saying there were many reasons, a loss, no champ game (ridiculous), perceived strength of conf., the most prolific offense we've seen in CFB, etc. that weigh in people's minds. It wasn't clear cut last year, to me maybe, but to the people with votes, who matter alot more than you or I, it was a difficult decision on who to send to the MNC. The media loves SC, they and PC are great for CFB. The media loves tOSU too, but when they and the Big Ten aren't getting thrashed in OOC and BCS Bowl games. The media loves the SEC because they've won OOC, except against SC, and MNC's against the Big Ten, and the conference plays solid football. The media loves the Big 12 because electrifying offenses like we saw last year are entertaining as hell. The media loves CFB because it's very entertaining, same reason we like it. But there are certain programs, SC being one of them, that are going to catch a break at some point because the program is that good, and has been that good. That's why it's not surprising that even though SC was sent to the Rose Bowl, there was still a contingent in the media that wanted SC in the MNC. This is how I feel "media darlings" are represented, whether whatever program goes to the BCS or not.

Talking heads can say what they want on tv to try and make it interesting, but go look at how and who gets to vote for ap. It will show how each writer voted, and you wont see many with SC in the top 2.
As for the electifiying big 12 offenses, that was because the big 12 had no defense. Statsusually dont lie. I have heard thay here before.
Again, just my opinion, but tv talk is cheap. You think they should go,then vote for them, PERIOD.

[buckeyemania11]

The media loves tOSU too, but when they and the Big Ten aren't getting thrashed in OOC and BCS Bowl games

the media loves Ohio State when it is convenient for them (2002 and the 2006 regular season) any other time (past few years) it seems they just bash away

if Ohio State were to lose to like Indiana the media would have a field day, USC seemingly got a free pass for crapping out against Stanford

[AuburnBuckeye]

This forum is so refreshing, you guys to a great job of keeping the people out who just wanna come in and flame and argue. The fans of other teams are mature and don't bash people. No one seems like really angry or aggresive to each other. Oh, and you have awesome smilies.

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by buckeyeguy11

Tressele thought that he would be good with Boekman I'm not bashing him but... I see that pryor could have done better if he had played more.

Dream on. Pryor was very limited in what he could do at that point in time. In fact, go back and watch what Terrell COULDN'T do by the time the Penn State game rolled around. Raw talent, yes, but the emphasis had to remain on 'raw."

But more than that, the issue was not Boeckman. Todd had proven himself the year before and proved himself again against Texas.

What could not be changed was the lack of pass protection, i.e. Buckeye tackles had a difficult time against fast DEs and linebackers.

Pryor's ability to get outside or inside the rush kept the plays from being losses, but his limited ability to pass the ball, and the limited number of plays he could call in those situations wasn't improved upon until late in the season.

Nor did it help that Beanie was not there to provide pass protection and a running game to balance the passing. USC simply put the pedal to the metal and chased the Buckeye offense off the field.

[BearBuck27]

Originally Posted by buckeyemania11

the media loves Ohio State when it is convenient for them (2006 regular season)

FIFY. The media did anything but love tOSU during the 2002 regular season. They were just waiting for that loss that never came.

[jmorbitz]

Originally Posted by troy#1

Talking heads can say what they want on tv to try and make it interesting, but go look at how and who gets to vote for ap. It will show how each writer voted, and you wont see many with SC in the top 2.
As for the electifiying big 12 offenses, that was because the big 12 had no defense. Statsusually dont lie. I have heard thay here before.
Again, just my opinion, but tv talk is cheap. You think they should go,then vote for them, PERIOD.

What I'm trying to say is that through the media, there is outcry that USC got snubbed, it's happened alot this decade because USC has seemed to find a way to drop a game per season making it more difficult to say they were definitive. I'm not saying USC isn't good, I am saying that as a "media darling" regardless of if you go to the BCSNCG or a BCS bowl or any other bowl, if you get maximum coverage allowable for your performance and situation, I feel it comes across as a "media darling." That's also why I said that I don't know what people do with the votes, they could say to put USC, but vote OU, most people on TV really aren't voting, but that's not the point of a "media darling" to me. Lots of schools are media darlings, I said that before. last year is a terrible year to say "USC didn't make it, see they aren't loved by the media" because you had OU, UTex, UF, Utah, and USC all viable for the spot, like I said before, and many other factors. Of course you beat everyone by an average score of 43-7 after the loss, but it's skewed with performances like 69-0 win over Wazzou, followed by 17-10 against AZst. 56-0 to Washington, then 17-3 to Arizona. We all know that conference play is very difficult, but these are certain reasons, as well as the afore mentioned that voters had a hard time last year. But I'm not talking about last year, more than I am in general. At some point, and what we're trying to convey, is that because of that extensive coverage, because of that favor of USC, they'll catch a break. And so if USC losses close, 2000 miles on the road with new LB's, QB, O-line in the second week of the season, you won't see the same effect in the end as you would when USC lost at home to a 41-point underdog, or against UO or ORSU. That is a media darling in my opinion, but USC performs so it's not completely unwarranted.

As for Big 12 offenses, regardles of if the conference fields defenses or not, were you entertained? Didn't you watch the 45-35 UTex-OU game, or the 33-31 UTex-TTech game? The point being, people want to be entertained. I loved watching them light it up, I like a defensive battle too. It's hard to vote against a team that can put up an avg. of about 40 points a game, regardless of any play of defense or not. It's hard to vote against a team that scored the most pooints in CFB history, regardless of competition.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by troy#1

I dont need to re-read the post. You pointed out since the Pete Carroll era, or I think the year you used was 2003 the media has had a lovefest with him and SC, so I was refering to previous years for the pass, not this season coming up.

The media (read: ESPiN) doesn't decide who plays in the NC game. Every year there are talking heads who say that USC is the best team and should be playing for the national title.

Originally Posted by troy#1

And why did SC have no business losing that game to OSU?

Uh, maybe because USC is the far superior team?