Southern California at tOSU (Sept 12th, 8 pm, ESPN)

[EidoloN]

First play of the video....

YouTube - 2008 Ohio State Vs Michigan State

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by NextBuck

No one has ever run a 4.22 at the combine.

No one has ever run a legit 4.22 40 in the history of mankind...

[NextBuck]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

No one has ever run a legit 4.22 40 in the history of mankind...

Probably, but ya never know. Maybe there has been some track guys out there who have pulled it off.

[ttk]

Another update on the USC situation.... more injuries hammering the team.

Shareece Wright (CB) has a bruised knee and will probably get a MRI, same as Corp. Hopefully it's minor. And Averell Spicer (one of the guys who had some starting time last year, too) has a high ankle sprain and is probably out for a few weeks as well.

Guys starting to get beaten up in practice. I like that they have such hard practices but all the injuries are a serious downside. The defense really can't afford to be missing guys going into the Shoe.

[kippy1040]

College football is such a brutal game anymore that is just plain scary to even watch a practice session. There are so many fierce competitions
& tenacitys that you have to wonder why coaches seem to get carried away
in these drills. I have watched the hoot & holler drills when they were up
at Youngstown State 15 years ago and i came away with the thought
of: these kids are fortunate enough to sustain all the hits without getting
severly injured. But i guess those are all part of the game to see what player can take the most punishment the mosts. If the injurys are sustained in the real game then its understandable but the practices are the ones i question. Just a thought.

[schneider.360]

Matt Barkley picks up his game after getting picked off -- latimes.com

Barkley has taken the reigns of the first team offense. He throws three interceptions in a breif morning practice but apparently calmed down in the afternoon.

I guess we know where his jumping off point was, but it seems like it was a great learning experience for him.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by NextBuck

Probably, but ya never know. Maybe there has been some track guys out there who have pulled it off.

Uh, no. They've broken down the last five or so 100m world record times and the fastest time at the 40-yard point was something like 4.30. Keep in mind, that split was from the fastest sprint time ever run, by a trained professional sprinter, in sprint attire, under highly-controlled conditions, on a track designed purely for that.

The 40-only time below 4.4 that I'd even remotely consider legit by a college football player would be by Trindon Holliday (LSU RB who just missed making the Olympics).

[schneider.360]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

Uh, no. They've broken down the last five or so 100m world record times and the fastest time at the 40-yard point was something like 4.30. Keep in mind, that split was from the fastest sprint time ever run, by a trained professional sprinter, in sprint attire, under highly-controlled conditions, on a track designed purely for that.

The 40-only time below 4.4 that I'd even remotely consider legit by a college football player would be by Trindon Holliday (LSU RB who just missed making the Olympics).

actually you can't really just break up a 100m time and compare it to a 40 time. first of all sprinters run to a peak speed around meter 60 or 65 so you couldn't just divede out what the time would be. secondly, when running the 100m in a track event the runner starts after a gun is fired. conversally so the reaction time of a spinter would increase their time. the clock is started for a 40 after the runner begins so 40 times actaully have an advantage.

if you can just divide up a 100m time into how fast it took them to get 40 yards at the overall average speed and get a 4.3 you could assume that they would run a 40 faster.

[Oneshot]

Originally Posted by schneider.360

actually you can't really just break up a 100m time and compare it to a 40 time. first of all sprinters run to a peak speed around meter 60 or 65 so you couldn't just divede out what the time would be. secondly, when running the 100m in a track event the runner starts after a gun is fired. conversally so the reaction time of a spinter would increase their time. the clock is started for a 40 after the runner begins so 40 times actaully have an advantage.

if you can just divide up a 100m time into how fast it took them to get 40 yards at the overall average speed and get a 4.3 you could assume that they would run a 40 faster.

This is a moot conversation. Sprinters never ever run 40 yard dashes - they have no bearing on any other distance.

But I would say this: If sprinters trained for 40 yards like they train for 100M (that is, they developed specific techniques and trained at it all the time), then sprinters would definitely destroy all college football players at the 40 yard dash. Sprinters do one thing: run.

[NextBuck]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

Uh, no. They've broken down the last five or so 100m world record times and the fastest time at the 40-yard point was something like 4.30. Keep in mind, that split was from the fastest sprint time ever run, by a trained professional sprinter, in sprint attire, under highly-controlled conditions, on a track designed purely for that.

The 40-only time below 4.4 that I'd even remotely consider legit by a college football player would be by Trindon Holliday (LSU RB who just missed making the Olympics).

You cant break up a 100 yard dash like that.

Also are you saying Holliday is the only player you think runs below a 4.4? Come on there are plenty of players that run in the 4.3's.

I think most 4.2's and lower are bull[censored], but I'm sure there are some people who could pull it off. Like if Usain Bolt trained to perfect the 40 yard dash. He couldn't do it now since he hits his full stride at around 60 yards, but maybe if he trained for it he could hit a 4.22.

[Bill Lucas]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

Uh, no. They've broken down the last five or so 100m world record times and the fastest time at the 40-yard point was something like 4.30. Keep in mind, that split was from the fastest sprint time ever run, by a trained professional sprinter, in sprint attire, under highly-controlled conditions, on a track designed purely for that.

The 40-only time below 4.4 that I'd even remotely consider legit by a college football player would be by Trindon Holliday (LSU RB who just missed making the Olympics).

Jeff Demps. Ran 10.17 as a high schooler.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by schneider.360

actually you can't really just break up a 100m time and compare it to a 40 time.

Uh, yeah you can, if you mark the time when the sprinter actually passed the 40-yard point of the sprint...that's how they "broke it down", by going to the 40-yard point of the sprint and noting the elapsed time.

Originally Posted by Bill Lucas

Jeff Demps. Ran 10.17 as a high schooler.

Holliday won the NCAA Outdoor Championships with a 10.00...that's nearly two-tenths of a second faster.

[NextBuck]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

Uh, yeah you can, if you mark the time when the sprinter actually passed the 40-yard point of the sprint...that's how they "broke it down", by going to the 40-yard point of the sprint and noting the elapsed time.

But that is stupid. When you are running different distances you get different results. If you take from when Usain Bolt was at 30-70 yards instead of 0-40 he would have a CRAZY forty time. When oyu run different distances you change your running style completely. There are guys in the NFL who can probably beat Usain Bolt in a 0-40 race, but they wouldnt sniff him in 100m.

If there was an olympic type event for the 40 yard dash then we'd see a lot of 4.2's.

If you just take out the 0-40 in a 100m Olympic event then you are basically judging the runners when they arent even giving their 100%. Olympic runners (lets use 100m) use a lot off the gate, but they save a little burst for the middle and end.

[t_BuckeyeScott]

Originally Posted by NextBuck

But that is stupid. When you are running different distances you get different results. If you take from when Usain Bolt was at 30-70 yards instead of 0-40 he would have a CRAZY forty time. When oyu run different distances you change your running style completely. There are guys in the NFL who can probably beat Usain Bolt in a 0-40 race, but they wouldnt sniff him in 100m.

If there was an olympic type event for the 40 yard dash then we'd see a lot of 4.2's.

If you just take out the 0-40 in a 100m Olympic event then you are basically judging the runners when they arent even giving their 100%. Olympic runners (lets use 100m) use a lot off the gate, but they save a little burst for the end.

This all of course besides the self start for 40 yard dashes vs. the gun start for 100M dash.

[osugrad21]

Originally Posted by t_BuckeyeScott

This all of course besides the self start for 40 yard dashes vs. the gun start for 100M dash.

Bingo.

Add in that most football relevance happens in the 10-20yd burst...after that, speed is obvious, but before that, speed, burst, and explosion are not.