NFL QBs & Height

[jimotis4heisman]

ill give greenies out if someone does some homework.

classify the qbs by ht and tell me how many "starters" (well say guys who started 10+ games) for the past 2-3 years. that would be interesting. it would look something like

6-6 x
6-5 y
6-4 z
...
6-0 k
5-11 h

etc

[jwinslow]

Originally Posted by jimotis4heisman

ill give greenies out if someone does some homework.

classify the qbs by ht and tell me how many "starters" (well say guys who started 10+ games) for the past 2-3 years. that would be interesting. it would look something like

6-6 x
6-5 y
6-4 z
...
6-0 k
5-11 h

etc

I used the past three seasons of starters, and added in their combined experience. 6'2" is actually the most common height, though greatness is more common around 6'5".



No one under 6', which might be what Masoli is.

[Colvinnl]

I am pretty sure no one has said height is an impossible hurdle (it isn't)---the claim seems to be that NFL teams view height as an important attribute for NFL QBs and count as short stature against them when considering draft status. (Vick is an exception, he is extremely fast and has an incredibly strong arm---completely unique).

Troy Smith has all the tools, leadership, a Heisman Trophy, etc.---yet look where he was drafted (one bad game does not drop a guy that far in the draft). Drew Brees, your example, would have been a for sure first round pick if he was 2-3 inches taller...instead he was a 2nd rounder.

[jimotis4heisman]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

I used the past three seasons of starters, and added in their combined experience. 6'2" is actually the most common height, though greatness is more common around 6'5".



No one under 6', which might be what Masoli is.

GPA, GPA, GPA!!

good job josh.

[buckeyesin07]

The prospect of Masoli leaving college early for the NFL is unfathomable. Let's give it a rest and stop trying to defend what was, from the beginning, an entirely ridiculous and unsupportable claim.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

Who doesn't compare to Masoli whatsoever...Nor does brees.

The "comparison" is that you can be a effective and successful NFL QB even if you're 6'0", despite what many on this site think, and in Vick's case height obviously wasn't a factor...it was talent. And although Brees isn't all that mobile, he was the #2 QB pick behind Vick in 2001 ahead of taller perennial Pro-Bowlers Quincy Carter, Marques Tuiasosopo, Chris Weinke, Sage Rosenfels, Jesse Palmer, Mike McMahon, A.J. Feeley, Josh Booty, and Josh Heupel. In fact, Vick and Brees were the two shortest QBs selected and were the only ones to become star-quality QBs, whilst the remaining taller QBs were virtually all busts.

Originally Posted by jwinslow

You're the one who keeps bringing up random 6' QBs as though they have relevance to Masoli in the NFL.

Because it suports my point that Masoli can succeed in the NFL despite his "lack of height".

Originally Posted by jwinslow

There are a few superior passers who stick in the NFL despite their 6' stature.

Probably because there aren't many in the NFL because there weren't many superior 6'0" QBs in college from which to pick.

Originally Posted by jwinslow

Masoli is not a superior passer, nor is he a superior athlete when looking at the NFL.

So, his draft stock is affected more by his lack of talent than his lack of height? If he all of a sudden became a great pocket passer with great mobility, he'd be get looked at more, despite his height? Sort of supports my point.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by buckeyesin07

The prospect of Masoli leaving college early for the NFL is unfathomable. Let's give it a rest and stop trying to defend what was, from the beginning, an entirely ridiculous and unsupportable claim.

Feel free to ignore this thread...

[Brutus1]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

I used the past three seasons of starters, and added in their combined experience. 6'2" is actually the most common height, though greatness is more common around 6'5".



.

That chart tells me that 6'6" qb's for the Raiders, suck.

[jwinslow]

The "comparison" is that you can be a effective and successful NFL QB even if you're 6'0", despite what many on this site think, and in Vick's case height obviously wasn't a factor...it was talent.

Where is Masoli's talent to justify bringing up this exception to the rule?

And although Brees isn't all that mobile, he was the #2 QB pick behind Vick in 2001

In the 2nd round, because of his height.

ahead of taller perennial Pro-Bowlers Quincy Carter, Marques Tuiasosopo, Chris Weinke, Sage Rosenfels, Jesse Palmer, Mike McMahon, A.J. Feeley, Josh Booty, and Josh Heupel.

Only two of which were even taken on the 1st day. Selling most of those names as "busts" is quite a reach.

Because it suports my point that Masoli can succeed in the NFL despite his "lack of height".

No, it doesn't, because he's not any of those quarterbacks. It's like pointing out other NFL players of the same ethnicity and demographic, and using it as proof that he can succeed too.

Probably because there aren't many in the NFL because there weren't many superior 6'0" QBs in college from which to pick.

Where would Troy Smith be drafted if he were 6'3"?

[jimotis4heisman]

Originally Posted by Brutus1

That chart tells me that 6'6" qb's for the Raiders, suck.

that chart confirms that the raiders look at combine stats, nothing else...

6-6 240lbs, oh thats our guy. who cares if hes 40 fat and never played so much as dodgeball in primary school...

[jwinslow]

Originally Posted by Brutus1

That chart tells me that the Raiders suck.

FIFY

[buckeyesin07]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

Feel free to ignore this thread...

The ridiculous point was first made in the Boyd thread, if you recall.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

Where is Masoli's talent to justify bringing up this exception to the rule?

Never said he had the talent right now. My point is that height won't be an automatic disqualifier in his possible decision to declare next year if he has a great year.

Originally Posted by jwinslow

In the 2nd round, because of his height.Only two of which were even taken on the 1st day.

You don't think the teams who skipped over him are kicking themselves? Brees has proved six-footer can excel, and while GMs and other still drool over measureables they'll now be more likely to give a six-footer a serious look they before.

Originally Posted by jwinslow

Selling most of those names as "busts" is quite a reach.

They still were the only other QB picked by NFL teams, and most did very little and a few literally did absolutely nothing.

Originally Posted by jwinslow

No, it doesn't, because he's not any of those quarterbacks. It's like pointing out other NFL players of the same ethnicity and demographic, and using it as proof that he can succeed too.

Now you're grasping for straws. Height has nothing to do with ethnicity and demographic because height is a non-ethnic and non-demographic factor. But, if you insist on playing the ethnicity game, people used to think blacks couldn't be QBs.

Originally Posted by jwinslow

Where would Troy Smith be drafted if he were 6'3"?

I don't know...you tell me, Karnac.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by buckeyesin07

The ridiculous point was first made in the Boyd thread, if you recall.

Which was split off into this thread, where the discussion continues...

[jwinslow]

Any NFL QB who declares early needs to have what the NFL wants. I'm not convinced Masoli does, and one of the major detractors is height (Oregon lists him at 5'11"). His arm strength and passing ability leaves something to be desired as well.

He doesn't pass like Brees or run like Vick. He doesn't have those extra assets to overcome the knock on his size.

Now sure, he could decide to ignore all of the feedback and just go pro because he wants to do so. But his best chance of playing quarter in 2010 (and beyond) is to stay at Oregon.