NFL QBs & Height

[jwinslow]

You don't think the teams who skipped over him are kicking themselves? Brees has proved six-footer can excel, and while GMs and other still drool over measureables they'll now be more likely to give a six-footer a serious look they before.

But that's the point, they downgraded him because of his height, like other diminuitive qbs.

Now you're grasping for straws. Height has nothing to do with ethnicity and demographic because height is a non-ethnic and non-demographic factor.

Masoli's 6' stature does not change the fact that he's not like those two QBs that bucked the trend (one of which who never really got over the hump). That's the point. The fact that they share a common height doesn't make them any more similar than if they were all 3rd generation Irish descendants from New Jersey.

But, if you insist on playing the ethnicity game, people used to think blacks couldn't be QBs.

Which was a perception of intelligence. It's not perception that a taller QB has better ability to see the field and avoid batted passes.

I don't know...you tell me, Karnac.

Nah, I'll let you:

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

Nope, Dubs, I wasn't aiming at you at all...just pointing to many in the thread who are trying to justify where he "should" go. I think he'll go in the firstt half of the second round. I think he "should" be one of the first couple QBs taken, but I think his height and the stigma of the lingering perception of his being a "running QB" will penalize him...

Asking for a specific answer would have taken us off subject anyway. The exact place is not the point, the reduced draft slot is.

[Colvinnl]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

You don't think the teams who skipped over him are kicking themselves? Brees has proved six-footer can excel, and while GMs and other still drool over measureables they'll now be more likely to give a six-footer a serious look they before.

I think the only thing Brees proved was that HE can excel in the League--he does not appear to have done anything to change the NFL's beliefs/bias about QB height, otherwise Troy Smith would have been drafted a little higher than the 5TH ROUND.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by Colvinnl

I think the only thing Brees proved was that HE can excel in the League--he does not appear to have done anything to change the NFL's beliefs/bias about QB height, otherwise Troy Smith would have been drafted a little higher than the 5TH ROUND.

You can also argue that Brees' accomplishments in the NFL kept Smith from being undrafted (ala fellow Heisman-winning mobile QB Charlie Ward).

[MililaniBuckeye]

I'll put this out here: If Masoli has a solid season, let's say 65%+ completion average, 5/1 or better TD/INT ratio, and 3,000+ yards passing, while leading Oregon to a major bowl game and 10+ wins, he'll bail.

[buckeyesin07]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

Which was split off into this thread, where the discussion continues...

And yet that ridiculous assertion that Masoli may enter the draft after his junior year continues to fester in the Boyd thread. Look at it this way--if you hadn't made the comment that the Oregon depth chart at QB might not be that bad because Masoli may enter the draft after his junior year, then you wouldn't be fighting this losing battle that 6'0" QBs are just as desirable as 6'3"+ QBs, simply because one (Brees) has hit it big. FWIW, that proposition, although unsupportable, is still more defensible than the claim that Masoli will leave college early for the NFL, IMO.

[buckeyesin07]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

I'll put this out here: If Masoli has a solid season, let's say 65%+ completion average, 5/1 or better TD/INT ratio, and 3,000+ yards passing, while leading Oregon to a major bowl game and 10+ wins, he'll bail.

For what? A QB job in the CFL? Or a Darren Sproles-like role in the NFL?

[buckeyesin07]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

I'll put this out here: If Masoli has a solid season, let's say 65%+ completion average, 5/1 or better TD/INT ratio, and 3,000+ yards passing, while leading Oregon to a major bowl game and 10+ wins, he'll bail.

A little research shows that your "solid season" is actually a phenomenal one. Indeed, only three Div I-A QBs accomplished it this year: only Bradford, Chase Clement (Rice), Graham Harrell. Doubtful Masoli will achieve such stats next year based on probability alone.

Given that Masoli had a completion percentage under 57%, was barely over halfway to 3,000 yards passing, and was nowhere in the neighborhood of a 5-1 TD to INT ratio (13 TDs, 5 INTs), it is even less likely that he's capable of reaching your "solid season" standard.

Willing to admit that the likelihood of him declaring for the draft after next season is virtually zero?

[hurricaneballin]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

G ... P ... A



Then why even have 6'0" QBs when they all suck?

I never said they suck, I said he won't get a fair shot. Rarely do 6' QBs get a fair shot at the NFL, with Brees and Vick the exceptions. Troy Smith was a monster at this level, the one knock on him was his height. If he had been as tall as JaMarcus Russel, no doubt in my mind he would've been the #1 pick.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by buckeyesin07

A little research shows that your "solid season" is actually a phenomenal one. Indeed, only three Div I-A QBs accomplished it this year: only Bradford, Chase Clement (Rice), Graham Harrell. Doubtful Masoli will achieve such stats next year based on probability alone.

Two words: reading comprehension.

I never he would. I said if he had a good enough season, he'd forego his senior year and enter the draft regardless of what anyone else says about his height.

[jwinslow]

You declared it completely irrelevant.

1) how many players do you know that don't even look at their draft grade before going pro early? If it's irrelevant, then why even look at it?

2) sports are littered with players who think better of themselves than their play justifies. Draft grades often serve as reality checks. They can choose to ignore their advice, but it was still involved in the process.

3) If this was simply about masoli's attitude, and not also about arguing against the height stereotype holding him back, then you would not have thrown vick and brees in our faces defiantly.

[sandgk]

Originally Posted by hurricaneballin

Troy Smith was a monster at this level, the one knock on him was his height. If he had been as tall as JaMarcus Russel, no doubt in my mind he would've been the #1 pick.

If Troy Smith was 6-5 he'd have six Heismans.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

You declared it completely irrelevant.

1) how many players do you know that don't even look at their draft grade before going pro early? If it's irrelevant, then why even look at it?

2) sports are littered with players who think better of themselves than their play justifies. Draft grades often serve as reality checks. They can choose to ignore their advice, but it was still involved in the process.

3) If this was simply about masoli's attitude, and not also about arguing against the height stereotype holding him back, then you would not have thrown vick and brees in our faces defiantly.

1.) Didn't Sanchez just declare despite the fact his draft grade says he's not first round material? If he didn't, you just shot you insinuation that all players look at their draft grade before deciding. If he did, it shows that not all players put a lot of weight of draft grades and that Masoli declaring after a strong junior season (should that happen) shouldn't be a stretch.

2.) My point was that Masoli won't let height dictate his decision.

3.) "Defiantly"? Quit with the schoolgirl theatrics already...

Dude, get a [censored]ing life...seriously. Stop mointoring BP Spy like an obsessed monk...

[jwinslow]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

1.) Didn't Sanchez just declare despite the fact his draft grade says he's not first round material? If he didn't, you just shot you insinuation that all players look at their draft grade before deciding.

how did he know he's not first round material if he didn't look at it?

He has been waiting on bradfords decision for a reason. He can now play his way to the number one qb, something masoli will probably not have the chance to do.

A second round grade - which we don't know the context of (pre rose bowl? With Bradford?) - doesn't prevent his chance of playing his way higher.

If he did, it shows that not all players put a lot of weight of draft grades and that Masoli declaring after a strong junior season (should that happen) shouldn't be a stretch.

2.) My point was that Masoli won't let height dictate his decision.

based on what? Your dinners with the masoli family? What exactly justified this declaration that it was irrelevant?

3.) "Defiantly"? Quit with the schoolgirl theatrics already...

I guess I should learn username pun humor before I can sit at the cool table.

Dude, get a [censored]ing life...seriously. Stop mointoring BP Spy like an obsessed monk...

Or post that line with 22000 posts to your name. Neither of us has room to talk.

[BayBuck]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

Two words: reading comprehension.

I never he would. I said if he had a good enough season, he'd forego his senior year and enter the draft regardless of what anyone else says about his height.

Agreed. When Masoli wins both Heismans next year, he's gone for sure.

[ImFrigginFly]

Alright boys, play nice.