Is JT's NC Window Closing?

[MaxBuck]

Originally Posted by LordJeffBuck

Tressel had a chance to turn that 2002 squad into a dynasty, but fell short in 2003, 2005, 2006, and 2007.

LJB, you seem to believe that establishing a "dynasty" is an important thing. I'll go on record as saying that establishing such a "dynasty" outside of the sun belt is essentially impossible today, given the priorities of young men once football practice is over.



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[Best Buckeye]

I think he is just starting and it won't end until he steps down.

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Originally Posted by LordJeffBuck

How about JoPa in 1986? Back then, did anyone think that he'd be shut out for the next 20+ years?

I think people thought JoPa was old in 1986. I think that is a bad example because he had an undefeated season in 1994 where Penn State should have had at least a share of the National Championship.

[msj2487]

Originally Posted by Buckeyefrankmp

I think people thought JoPa was old in 1986. I think that is a bad example because he had an undefeated season in 1994 where Penn State should have had at least a share of the National Championship.

And even then he's been in contention three times since 1994 up until late season losses, like in 1999 where they had that horrible three game stretch losing to Minnesota by 1, Michigan by 4, and Michigan State by 7, which ruined an otherwise perfect season. Then again in 2005 with the 2 point, last second loss to Michigan, and of course last year with the 1 point, last second loss to Iowa. Ouch... glad I'm not a Nittany Lion fan.

[martinss01]

Originally Posted by LordJeffBuck

Since national polling began back in 1934, seventeen head coaches have won multiple national championships as recognized by the sports writers (AP) or college football coaches (UPI, BCS, etc.):

Only eight of the seventeen coaches who have won multiple NC's have done so during a period of eight years or longer ... and three of those eight won all of their NC's within a period of exactly eight years. Only five head coaches have been able to win multiple NC's over the course of a decade or more - Bryant (19 years), McKay (17 years), Hayes (15 years), Switzer (12 years), and Leahy (11 years) - and each of those head coaches won at least three national titles.

not sure if this is important or not but 8 of 17 is just a hair under 50%... oh and 5 of 17 is just a touch under 30%... neither of which are particularly bad odds.

[zwem]

No the window is not closing for the following reasons.

1)- The Big Ten sucks. The Big Ten as a whole hasn't had a winning record in bowl games since 2002. This isn't the same big ten in the 90s where it was a mine field and there were amazing teams. Most people could argue the Big Ten as a whole was the best conference in the country at the time instead of now where the Big Ten is one of the worst.

Just look at the teams here.

1)- Indiana......enough said.

2)- Minnesota. They are decent and will be around .500 for most seasons.

3)- Penn St. They aren't consistent. 1 great year....then 1 down year.

4)- Iowa. They are ok but won't be a regular top 25 team.

5)- Mich St. They are improving and could be a regular top 25 team.
They actually have a coach now.

6)- Northwestern. Good coach but they just won't get the talent.

7)- Wisconsin. Just not sure about Wisconsin's coach. They will be ok.

8)- Purdue. They will be decent in future years but I just don't see much
from them.

9)- Illinois. Well they will get some talent over the next few years but
probably won't compete in the big ten on a consistent basis.

10) Michigan. They are in a funk right now and aren't the Michigan
people are used to seeing. It will probably take a few years before Michigan becomes good again and that's just assuming it when RR gets the players he wants.

I'm sure fans, coaches, and players of OSU aren't scared of anybody at the moment in the Big Ten. OSU will probably only have 2-3 games each year in the Big Ten/OOC that they have to worry about.



2)- OSU recruits well and the other teams in the conference do poor compared to other teams around the country.

3)- OSU has a solid coaching staff and Tressel surrounds himself with good coaches.


He will be in the hunt for NCs. Only time will tell if he wins another one or not. I wouldn't be surprised if they play in another NC or two in the next 5 years.

[Yertle]

Originally Posted by LordJeffBuck

Is JT's NC Window Closing?

No.

[OregonBuckeye]

Originally Posted by LordJeffBuck

Tressel had a chance to turn that 2002 squad into a dynasty, but fell short in 2003, 2005, 2006, and 2007.

What is your definition of a dynasty?

[LordJeffBuck]

Originally Posted by OregonBuckeye

What is your definition of a dynasty?

I don't know if there is an exact definition, but it would be something like "multiple NC's during a relatively short period of time." Nebraska winning championships in 1994, 1995, and 1997 would be perhaps the best and most obvious example, and Urban Meyer has got a similar situation going down in Gainesville. Another recent example would be Miami (NC's in 1983, 1987, 1989, and 1991). Other examples from the more distant past would be Notre Dame (NC's in 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, and 1953) ... Army (NC's in 1944, 1945, and 1946) ... Minnesota (NC's in 1934, 1935, 1936, 1940, and 1941). Tressel's run at Youngstown State was clearly a dynasty as well (NC's in 1991, 1993, 1994, and 1997). See also Paul Brown, Larry Kehres, and Chuck Kyle....

[Steve19]

Thanks to BB73 for answering that question. Looks like you win within 1-3 years of taking over a job and then your chances slide a lot.

How do you explain that? Once you're there a few years, your conference opponents learn your stuff and your advantage dissipates?

And what is the answer to longevity? It would be interesting to see when the assistant coaches moved under the coaches who won multiple years over a longer term. What is the basis for competitive advantage?