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Wow, what a tough week to put in the poll. There are some deserving teams out there that I wasn't sure how to even get into my poll this week.

There are also some teams in my poll that I believe may be pretenders and not contenders.....

  1. Florida
  2. Texas
  3. Alabama
  4. LSU
  5. Boise St
  6. USC
  7. OSU
  8. Oklahoma
  9. Va. Tech
  10. BYU
  11. TCU
  12. Oklahoma St
  13. Iowa
  14. Cinci
  15. Georgia
  16. Ga Tech
  17. PSU
  18. Ole Miss.
  19. California
  20. Mizzou
  21. Michigan
  22. Kansas
  23. Miami
  24. Wisconsin
  25. Auburn

on the outside peaking in....Houston, South Florida, Minnesota, Texas A&M, Marshall, Air Force, Notre Lame, Boston College, NC, NC St.
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I've created my poll for week 4. Here's my methodology.

First, I considered every team in FBS with no more then 1 loss. I think it's too early to consider any 2-loss teams like FSU, Washington, or Texas Tech.

Looking at each team's wins and losses and considering their opponents, I ranked each team within their own group, the 6 BCS conferences and everybody else. Here are the 36 teams I considered ranking after that:

SEC......Pac.10....Big.12....Big.10....ACC.....Big .East..Others
Alab.....USC.......Texas.....Iowa......VaTech..Cin cy.....Houston
Florida..Oregon....Oklahoma..tOSU......Miami...USF .......Boise
LSU......UCLA......Mizzou....TSUN......GaTech..... .......TCU
Auburn...Cal.......Kansas....Wiscy.....N.Car...... .......BYU
Georgia..Ariz......Okla.St...Penn.St.............. .......Utah
S.Car....Stan......Neb............................ .......N.D
Ole.Miss

Then I started ranking teams, based solely on what's happened on the field so far this year. Preseason polls weren't factored in, last year's results weren't factored in, what I expect to happen the rest of the year wasn't factored in, and who I think would win on a neutral field wasn't factored in. Also, no polls from last week were factored in; teams with losses or with good wins weren't moved a certain number of spots, they were slotted accoriding to my evaluation of season-to-date results.

Head-to-head was considered. Chains of an undefeated team and a bunch of 1-loss teams were looked for, here's one: Houston-Okla St-Ga-S.Car-OleMiss. Two chains that existed last week were broken when teams near the beginning of the chain lost: Miami-FSU-BYU-Oklahoma no longer applies, so each team is evaluated on overall results. Also the LSU-Washington-USC-tOSU chain was broken.

The severity of a loss was also factored in, So although USC beat tOSU, their loss to now-unranked Washington is more damaging than tOSU's loss to USC. Combined with 2 straight shutouts, I have tOSU ahead of USC.

Here's what I came up with:

01. Alabama
02. Florida
03. Texas
04. Iowa
05. Houston (their schedule will prevent them rising to the top-2)
06. LSU
07. Va Tech (best results of the 1-loss teams)
08. tOSU
09. Oklahoma (BYU loss is looking worse with FSU results)
10. USC
11. Cincinnati
12. Boise St
13. Auburn
14. Mizzou
15. Kansas
16. Okla St
17. Oregon
18. TCU
19. USF
20. UCLA
21. Miami (they were my #1 last week)
22. TSUN
23. Georgia
24. BYU (beating Oklahoma carries weight)
25. S. Carolina

Cal and Penn State dropped from the top 10 to unranked, since Cal got hammered and hasn't beaten a ranked team, and Penn State also hasn't beaten anybody with a pulse.
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I realize you're not calling Iowa the 4th best team in the nation for end of year purposes, and they are undefeated presently, but #4 seems awfully high to me. In as much as they needed two blocked FGs to beat N. Iowa, beat a bad ISU team, a pretty OK Zona, and a discounted (in your own discussion) PSU...

But.. a win is a win, and they do have 4, so...
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I'm not in the poll thingy, but here are my rankings based solely on how good I think the teams are and not so much on specific head-to-head results:

1. Florida
2. USC
3. Alabama
4. Texas
5. Ohio State
6. Oklahoma
7. Georgia
8. Penn State
9. Florida State
10. Arkansas
11. Mississippi
12. Va Tech
13. Miami
14. Iowa
15. Houston
16. Texas Tech
17. Wisconsin
18. Boise State
19. LSU
20. TCU
21. South Carolina
22. Auburn
23. South Florida
24. Cincinnati
25. Missouri

Some thoughts:

a. Cincinnati has a nice team, but 24th in the nation is as good as they are. Anyone who seriously thinks they win more than they lose against Penn State, or even Iowa, is delusional.
b. Penn State is clearly better than Iowa, even given the outcome of the game last night. Iowa got every possible break, and Clark had an absolutely dreadful game that is only partly explained by Iowa's very good defense.
c. I hesitate to even put LSU into the top 20. Top 20 teams should not struggle that much against Mississippi Freaking State. Yet the talent seems to be there.
d. Michigan has proven in its near-loss to Indiana that it does not belong in the top 25 - yet.
e. Florida State has failed in a couple of games, but if you watch that team closely, tell me they don't have top 10 talent. Maybe Bowden has had time pass him by, but I think by the end of the year they will be right there; I see them winning the ACC.
f. Ferentz seems to have his mojo fully back. How any coach can win with the limited raw talent he gets is beyond me. Iowa's ranking relates more to Ferentz and relatively little with who occupies the jerseys.
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I realize you're not calling Iowa the 4th best team in the nation for end of year purposes, and they are undefeated presently, but #4 seems awfully high to me. In as much as they needed two blocked FGs to beat N. Iowa, beat a bad ISU team, a pretty OK Zona, and a discounted (in your own discussion) PSU...

But.. a win is a win, and they do have 4, so...
I knew the rating would get flack because of the N. Iowa game, but Iowa's undefeated and they've beaten two BCS teams that nobody else has beaten. Few teams can make that statement.

They're the only team to beat both Penn State and Arizona at this point. And Arizona is the only team to beat Central Michigan. So they get bumped because of those facts.
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1) Florida
2) Alabama
3) Texas
4) Virginia Tech
5) Ohio State
6) Cincinnati
7) Oklahoma
8) USC
9) TCU
10) Boise State
11) Iowa
12) LSU
13) Oklahoma State
14) Auburn
15) Miami (FL)
16) Oregon
17) Nebraska
18) California
19) Missouri
20) Penn State
21) Kansas
22) Houston
23) South Florida
24) Wisconsin
25) Georgia Tech

Dropped from last week's poll: Ole (censored) (7), scUM (16), Washington (18), Georgia (20), North Carolina (21), Florida State (23)
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1. Florida
2. Texas
3. Alabama
4. Boise State
5. LSU
6. Oklahoma
7. Virginia Tech
8. Southern Cal
9. Ohio State
10. TCU
11. Houston
12. Cincinnati
13. Iowa
14. Oklahoma State
15. Kansas
16. Missouri
17. Georgia
18. Oregon
19. BYU
20. Penn State
21. Miami
22. Nebraska
23. California
24. Ole Miss
25. South Florida
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1. Florida
2. Alabama
3. Texas
4. Southern Cal
5. LSU
6. Ohio State
7. Virginia Tech
8. Oklahoma
9. Boise State
10. Oregon
11. Cincinnati
12. Kansas
13. Iowa
14. Oklahoma State
15. Houston
16. Missouri
17. Georgia
18. TCU
19. Michigan
20. Miami
21. BYU
22. Nebraska
23. California
24. Ole Miss
25. Penn State

Observations:
1). Bama is playing as well as anybody. With the offense gaining 490 yds a game while only giving up 200 yd/gm, including only 50 yds rushing, this might be the most balanced team in the country. I would not be shocked if they supplant Florida at the top of the SEC.

2). As proven this week, Oregon is still a dangerous team. They might give SC a run for their money.

3). PSU is worth [censored]. Can't run, can't pass, can't hang on to the ball, no playmakers. The only way we lose to them is by beating ourselves.

4). Time to think about either realigning the crappy conferences or kicking them out of D1 altogether. It is unacceptable that TCU/Boise/Houston/BYU are all sitting in the top twenty and only play one or two good team a year.
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1. Florida
2. Alabama
3. Texas
4. Virginia Tech
5. USC
6. Ohio State
7. LSU
8. Iowa
9. Oklahoma
10. TCU
11. Houston
12. Cincinnati
13. Boise State
14. Oregon
15. Miami Fla
16. Mississippi
17. South Florida
18. Penn State
19. Michigan
20. Kansas
21. Nebraska
22. Oklahoma State
23. Georgia
24. California
25. BYU
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Well that was interesting.

Anyway, my poll is based on more of the "neutral field" argument, who, IMO, is the better team. Not really a guess on who will finish where based on strength of schedule or anything.

  1. Florida
  2. Texas
  3. Alabama
  4. Oklahoma
  5. Virginia Tech
  6. Ohio State
  7. LSU
  8. USC
  9. Boise State
  10. Cincinnati
  11. TCU
  12. Houston
  13. Oklahoma State
  14. Nebraska
  15. Iowa
  16. Ole Piss (For Nutriaitch)
  17. Georgia
  18. Penn State
  19. Miami (FL)
  20. Oregon
  21. Cal
  22. BYU
  23. Kansas
  24. Missouri
  25. Georgia Tech
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1. Florida
2. Texas
3. Alabama
4. Virginia Tech
5. Oklahoma Sooners
6. LSU
7. The Ohio State University
8. USC
9. Georgia
10. TCU
11. Boise State
12. Houston
13. Oklahoma State
14. Iowa
15. Nebraska
16. PSU
17. Kansas
18. Cincinnati
19. BYU
20. Ole Miss
21. Michigan
22. Oregon
23. Miami, FL
24. Cal
25. Georgia Tech
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1. Texas
2. Florida
3. Alabama
4. LSU
5. USC
6. Ohio State
7. Virginia Tech
8. Oklahoma
9. Iowa
10. Boise State
11. Houston
12. Cincinnati
13. Missouri
14. Oklahoma State
15. Auburn
16. Georgia
17. BYU
18. TCU
19. Oregon
20. South Florida
21. Penn State
22. South Carolina
23. Miami
24. Ole Miss
25. Cal

Note to any UM fans who might read this: If you struggle to beat Indiana in your own backyard, you don't deserve to sniff the top 25.
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  1. Florida
  2. Texas
  3. Alabama
  4. LSU
  5. Virginia Tech
  6. USC
  7. Ohio State
  8. Cincinnati
  9. Oklahoma
  10. Houston
  11. Boise State
  12. TCU
  13. Iowa
  14. Kansas
  15. Oklahoma State
  16. Georgia
  17. Missouri
  18. Mississippi
  19. Oregon
  20. BYU
  21. Michigan
  22. Penn State
  23. Miami
  24. Nebraska
  25. California
New: Houston (10), Oregon (19)
Dropped: Florida State (17), UCLA (24)
Biggest Gain: Houston, NR to 10 (Missed ranking them last week)
Biggest Drop: California, 5 to 25
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