Guiton vs Bauserman

[billmac91]

the obviosu downside to Joe is that the offense has to change. You aren't running a read/option attack with Bauserman. The best thing about Kenny is you can run the same playbook Terrelle runs, and create a lot of easy throws for Kenny based on his running ability.

If we were running the Troy Smith 2006 offense, I'd say Joe is a better option, but we aren't. And yes, I will look at their spring games, and make some conclusions. Kenny has a good arm, has an added dimension with his legs, and can at least keep teams honest with his feet.

And by the way, Joe and Kenny were both fair game in the spring game. Remeber the shot he took on his plant leg?

[BuckNut65]

I thought yesterday's game was rather interesting. They let Bauserman throw a single pass and it was mistaken for a wounded duck getting ready to land in Lake Michigan. After that we went into a shell and all we needed was someone to hand the ball off.
That being said, Bauserman has NEVER impressed me at all during his limited amount of playing time. He lacks mobility and seems way too indecisive when attempting to throw the ball. He has been in the program long enough for the staff to have thoroughly evaluated him. I don't know if he is a great practice player but even if he is it sure does not translate onto the playing field.
I think Guiton brings much more mobility and more significantly, more options for the Bollman/Hazell/Tressel trio to utilize when and if called upon. Granted, under Tressel the upper classmen are going to get the benefit of the doubt, however in this instance I think Guiton brings more to the table, especially since the play-calling is likely to get ultra-conservative (as yesterday) in the event of another injury to Pryor.

[Diego-Bucks]

Originally Posted by Thump

"Trust the coaches."

But then there is so little to talk about on these fantastic message boards!

[cbrian815]

I dont care who plays as long as we win. One observation of mine is that Kenny seems comfortable running Pryors play set. I think with Joe you would need a quicker passing attack and more I formation running. Both of these guys are going to make mistakes, Joe`s against Ill was a really bad decision and so was Pryors but TP can make up for a mistake or two with his big plays.

I think we are not very deep behind Pryor. We go as TP goes. We are a little too much one dimensional with TP and no power back like Beanie. Kenny is the closest we would have that could run the same exact play set as TP....at least until Miller gets on campus. Go Bucks

[Yertle]

Kenny G hasn't even THROWN a pass in FBS football, and he's dominating this poll? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Somehow, the Buckeye fanbase is ready to vote Tressel into the US Senate, but we find him TOTALLY incapable of picking a 2nd string QB. Sweet merciful crap. The right #2 QB is the one that Tressel says is the #2 QB.

Tress says it's Joe B, then the answer to the poll is Joe B. The end.

[3074326]

Originally Posted by Yertle

Kenny G hasn't even THROWN a pass in FBS football, and he's dominating this poll? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Do you think he could do worse? I don't. And apparently 65 of 71 people don't think he could do worse. Don't make it sound like everyone thinks KG would go out and throw 40 TDs without turning the ball over.

I just expect him to do no worse than Bauserman.. while bringing more to the table. Not hard to understand why KG is dominating this poll.. Bauserman has looked bad..

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by Yertle

Kenny G hasn't even THROWN a pass in FBS football, and he's dominating this poll? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Somehow, the Buckeye fanbase is ready to vote Tressel into the US Senate, but we find him TOTALLY incapable of picking a 2nd string QB. Sweet merciful crap. The right #2 QB is the one that Tressel says is the #2 QB.

Tress says it's Joe B, then the answer to the poll is Joe B. The end.

Our weapons are three... ... and a fanatical devotion to the Pope. Four, our weapons are four.

[SEREbuckeye]

Originally Posted by Yertle

Kenny G hasn't even THROWN a pass in FBS football, and he's dominating this poll? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Somehow, the Buckeye fanbase is ready to vote Tressel into the US Senate, but we find him TOTALLY incapable of picking a 2nd string QB. Sweet merciful crap. The right #2 QB is the one that Tressel says is the #2 QB.

Tress says it's Joe B, then the answer to the poll is Joe B. The end.

That was my whole argument. I provided facts that showed Guiton had zero passing experience in a true game.

People bring up mobility, guess what happened? They ignored my statistical evidence that showed Guiton and JB were nearly identical in rushing stats.

Somehow even when you give stats people still revert that they know better than the coaches and cling to "they think". Whatever.

[3074326]

I don't see why there's such a problem with a "he couldn't do any worse" line of thinking.

[JBaney45]

Originally Posted by 3074326

I don't see why there's such a problem with a "he couldn't do any worse" line of thinking.

You've clearly have never seen Jonathon Crompton play quarterback

Throwing a pick is bad, but you can theoretically do worse, it could have been a pick 6 or some sort of a fumble

Seriously though, just because Bauserman throws an int doesn't mean he's the more prone to make mistakes with the ball, just means he threw an int.

[Zander42]

Originally Posted by SEREbuckeye

That was my whole argument. I provided facts that showed Guiton had zero passing experience in a true game.

People bring up mobility, guess what happened? They ignored my statistical evidence that showed Guiton and JB were nearly identical in rushing stats.

Somehow even when you give stats people still revert that they know better than the coaches and cling to "they think". Whatever.

Ok, then maybe view this poll is more of a prediction of what the coaches will do if the situation comes up later this year.

[BayBuck]

Originally Posted by SEREbuckeye

I will agree to disagree with you, but until someone has some sort of valid, concrete statistical evidence that KG is better than JB, JB has to stay #2. You can't assume the plays "feel" or "think" a certain way in the huddle. All we know are the stats.

Nobody here is required to conform to your basis for forming their own opinion, and nobody's opinion here has any bearing on what "has to" happen on the depth chart. True, most of what we know are the stats, but those stats come from very limited game experience: Bauserman has the equivalent of maybe 2 games' worth of passing, and extrapolating from such a small sample size of stats is simply naive. What is ultimately going to determine who's #2 to #2 is how they do in practice, and for the most part we don't know those stats. So quit trying to dominate the discussion and accept that the vast majority of voters here have seen enough of Bauserman (with a 101 career QB rating) to feel that a talented youngster who looked great in the spring "should" get a chance.

Either way, Tressel's not turning over the full offense to Pryor's backup, and Bauserman's got a lot more experience handing off to the RBs and has paid his dues, so until a backup is expected to to more than that I don't expect any changes.

[BuckeyeNation27]

Originally Posted by MaxBuck

In evaluating Bauserman vs. Guiton, I don't think Tressel is thinking about which QB is more likely to win a game. He's thinking about which QB is less likely to lose a game. Different questions, different answers.

Are they?

[SEREbuckeye]

Originally Posted by BayBuck

Nobody here is required to conform to your basis for forming their own opinion, and nobody's opinion here has any bearing on what "has to" happen on the depth chart. True, most of what we know are the stats, but those stats come from very limited game experience: Bauserman has the equivalent of maybe 2 games' worth of passing, and extrapolating from such a small sample size of stats is simply naive. What is ultimately going to determine who's #2 to #2 is how they do in practice, and for the most part we don't know those stats. So quit trying to dominate the discussion and accept that the vast majority of voters here have seen enough of Bauserman (with a 101 career QB rating) to feel that a talented youngster who looked great in the spring "should" get a chance.

Either way, Tressel's not turning over the full offense to Pryor's backup, and Bauserman's got a lot more experience handing off to the RBs and has paid his dues, so until a backup is expected to to more than that I don't expect any changes.

Im not trying to dominate the conversation, just having friendly interjection and banter. I have to post a bit more because its a ratio of 5:70 in favor of JB, lol. I am in the minority here, going against a bunch of guys that have an emotional edge coming off of a close game where "my guy" didn't look as hot. Give me a break, Im working hard to hold down the JB front

[Zander42]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

Are they?

I think what he meant was (or at least as I understand it):

If you have a 4 point lead and TP goes down, Bauserman might be the better candidate, because he has better fundamentals. Less likely to screw up something on the snap or hand-off.

If you are down by 4 points and TP goes down, Guiton might be the better candidate because he's a more dynamic player. Guiton is more likely to make a play and if he screws up and turns the ball over, oh well, loosing by 11 points is just a bad as loosing by 4.

Bausermans INT in the exact above situation might tip the scales a bit toward KG going forward.