Guiton vs Bauserman

[OhioExile]

I'm usually a silent member of this great website, and i start very few threads so i hope this is in the right place.

What does Bauserman bring to the table for the Buckeyes other than a bit more command of our offense? I think that is even up for debate because i think his talent set isn't the best fit for the offense we have currently. Over the past few years we have gotten a few looks at Joe and his game play never stands out.

Kenny Guiton brings much more to our offense than Joe does at this point. He is the future, and he is a playmaker with his feet and his arm and gives a defense something more to think about. He has "It". Something i cannot say about Bauserman.

Kenny Guiton is clearly number 2 right now in my opinion...his teammmates chose him over Bauserman in the spring game that should speak volumes to the coaching staff.

[buckeyes_rock]

Well, obviously the coaches know both Kenny and Joe better than we do. But from what I've seen of the two, Kenny has much more potential, but being a young guy, the coaches probably just don't trust him enough. In a QB, that's always seemed to be the important factor with JT. Can I trust this guy to NOT turn the ball over.

What I like about Kenny is that he can run better than Joe. So having him in there just gives the Bucks another runner that we so desperately need. And after watching Kenny throw the ball in the spring game, he certainly showed that he can sling the rock when necessary too. Obviously as fans we have no idea what these guys look like in practice, but it just seems like there's so much more potential for the offense if Kenny is at the helm. And let's face it, without TP, our offense is just very vanilla.

[leroyjenkins]

KG can at least run the read option, or make 2 reads then run. Much more dangerous.

[CHU]

It really looks like Bauserman is playing with his hair on fire, regardless who the opponent is. It could be the offensive line or it could be lack of game reps, but Guiton just looks more dangerous and looks like he has more poise when playing.

Regardless, the running game (from the tailbacks) needs to improve, as well as consistency from the offensive line.

[Onebuckfan]

Bausentmam dissappointed me with his play..he has been in the program a while..with a running QB the back-up has to be prepared at any time..

[k2onprimetime]

Guiton>Bauserman

But Bauserman is older and Tressel probably trusts him more. Guiton has lots of potential and could possibly be the starter one day.

[NFBuck]

No way to sugarcoat it, Bauserman looked awful yesterday. That said, we haven't seen barely any of Guiton, so who knows if he's any better.

[SEREbuckeye]

Wow. Flashbacks of 2005? Whos better Smith or Zwick?

I think its too premature to say either has a leg up on the competition. Neither one seems to be a solid #2 that can carry the offense should the #1 go down - as evident.

I think the coaching staff led with their heart and not with their head in the OOC games. When we were stomping holes in our opponents, maybe they should have put TP on the bench after a comfortable lead and allowed the backups to get a quarter of playing time a piece. Each QB is conditioned that should he play like crap he will be rebenched and Pryor will be brought in to clean up the mess.

Bauserman has a strong arm, Guiton looks so frail - thinner than Jacory Harris. But Guiton hasn't shown much this year other than handoffs whereas Bauserman has had more snaps to fail at.

Plain and simple its easy to look good doing nothing (Guiton) while your competition is out there looking suspect with majority of the leftover snaps (Bauserman). Bauserman's failures shouldn't be Guiton's praise. Other than practice we don't know anything of KG.

Lets see how this folds out until we crown someone else better than the next.

[UpNorthBuckeye]

Under Tresselball Rules,
Backup quarterback means: limit the play book.

Therefore, it means, more running than passing...

Therefore, I would think that should mean Guiton rather than bauserman.

No, I don't know what they look like in practice, but you're talking PRACTICE. PRACTICE, I mean, we're talkin' Practice.

Sorry.
Anyway, in the spring game, which is not the same as Big Ten road game, Guiton looked better.

Is Guiton the future, no, I don't think so. I'd put more stock in Graham, or the guy coming in next year (I forget his name).

But Kenny G might be a better choice at this time.

And don't be surprised if today, Tressel and Bollman and the QB coach aren't thinking the same thing. They're pretty smart.

Under the circumstances, yesterday could be a fine example of our "low point" this year. When we look back in mid-January, we'll remember how the Illinois game put some scare into us, before we blasted Indiana the following week.

I don't think Joe B has any NFL aspirations.... so I don't think he would have much of a problem if Kenny G went ahead of him on the depth chart.

Look for it in O-Zone in a couple of days.

Go Bucks!
Just win, Baby!

[buckeye78]

Originally Posted by SEREbuckeye

Wow. Flashbacks of 2005? Whos better Smith or Zwick?

I think its too premature to say either has a leg up on the competition. Neither one seems to be a solid #2 that can carry the offense should the #1 go down - as evident.

I think the coaching staff led with their heart and not with their head in the OOC games. When we were stomping holes in our opponents, maybe they should have put TP on the bench after a comfortable lead and allowed the backups to get a quarter of playing time a piece. Each QB is conditioned that should he play like crap he will be rebenched and Pryor will be brought in to clean up the mess.

Bauserman has a strong arm, Guiton looks so frail - thinner than Jacory Harris. But Guiton hasn't shown much this year other than handoffs whereas Bauserman has had more snaps to fail at.

Plain and simple its easy to look good doing nothing (Guiton) while your competition is out there looking suspect with majority of the leftover snaps (Bauserman). Bauserman's failures shouldn't be Guiton's praise. Other than practice we don't know anything of KG.

Lets see how this folds out until we crown someone else better than the next.

KG hasn't been given many opportunities to do much other than hand off. When he did, he looked very good running the ball against EMU. I know it's EMU, but still.

What I do think bears noting is the way he played in the spring game. Granted, TWash looked great in the spring game and it hasn't translated. Regardless, I think KG has more upside than Bauserman, who frankly, has looked terrible every time he's been in a game. All due respect, the frequency with which he throws into coverage, takes a sack and or throws it out of bounds seem to indicate he's not at all comfortable being on the field. To me, this cancels out any advantage he might have in practice. It doesn't matter how much command he has in practice if he's too nervous on the field to do anything other than hand off.

KG is clearly the better option, imo.

[SEREbuckeye]

Originally Posted by buckeye78

KG hasn't been given many opportunities to do much other than hand off. When he did, he looked very good running the ball against EMU. I know it's EMU, but still.

What I do think bears noting is the way he played in the spring game. Granted, TWash looked great in the spring game and it hasn't translated. Regardless, I think KG has more upside than Bauserman, who frankly, has looked terrible every time he's been in a game. All due respect, the frequency with which he throws into coverage, takes a sack and or throws it out of bounds seem to indicate he's not at all comfortable being on the field. To me, this cancels out any advantage he might have in practice. It doesn't matter how much command he has in practice if he's too nervous on the field to do anything other than hand off.

KG is clearly the better option, imo.

Spring game - really? Tell me how Bam Childress awesome spring games translated to the real games? lol

Frequency and sacks: Hes only had 2 sacks the entire year, and has a completion percentage of 64.7%, which is .3% away from Pryor.

And how has KG looked better than JB as a QB, lets breakdown the attempts here:


Vs Marshall:
(pass)
Bauserman: 1-2, 2 yds
Guiton: 0-0-0, 0, 0
(rush)
Bauserman: 1 att, -3 yds
Guiton: 2 att, 4yds


Vs Ohio:
(pass)
Bauserman: 4-7, 46 yds
Guiton: 0-0-0, 0, 0
(rush)
Bauserman: 2 att, -4 yds
Guiton: 0, 0, 0


Vs EMU:
(pass)
Bauserman: 5-6-0, 59 yds, 1 TD
Guiton: 0-0-0, 0, 0
(rush)
Bauserman: 2 att, 17 yds
Guiton: 1 att, 15 yds, 1 TD

Not sure where you say that Guiton was better against EMU as a QB? Not only did Bauserman attempt more than zero passes, he also score a TD, as well as having more rush yards than Guiton. Explain to me where Guiton looked like a better QB than Bauserman against EMU.


Heres the season stats:

Bauserman: 11-17, 108 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 Scks, 125 RAT, 5 Rsh att, 10 yds
Guiton: 0-0, 0 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 0 Scks, 0 RAT, 3 Rsh att, 19 yds, 1 TD

Again, someone explain outside of a Spring Game where Guiton has outplayed Bauserman. Tangible things please, not "chemistry" or anything like that.

[Mrstickball]

The answer is pretty simple...

[SEREbuckeye]

Again, don't just shout a name, give some solid reasoning otherwise its just nonsense banter that should be saved for the Scout boards.

[buckeye78]

Originally Posted by SEREbuckeye

Spring game - really? Tell me how Bam Childress awesome spring games translated to the real games? lol

Frequency and sacks: Hes only had 2 sacks the entire year, and has a completion percentage of 64.7%, which is .3% away from Pryor.

And how has KG looked better than JB as a QB, lets breakdown the attempts here:


Vs Marshall:
(pass)
Bauserman: 1-2, 2 yds
Guiton: 0-0-0, 0, 0
(rush)
Bauserman: 1 att, -3 yds
Guiton: 2 att, 4yds


Vs Ohio:
(pass)
Bauserman: 4-7, 46 yds
Guiton: 0-0-0, 0, 0
(rush)
Bauserman: 2 att, -4 yds
Guiton: 0, 0, 0


Vs EMU:
(pass)
Bauserman: 5-6-0, 59 yds, 1 TD
Guiton: 0-0-0, 0, 0
(rush)
Bauserman: 2 att, 17 yds
Guiton: 1 att, 15 yds, 1 TD

Not sure where you say that Guiton was better against EMU as a QB? Not only did Bauserman attempt more than zero passes, he also score a TD, as well as having more rush yards than Guiton. Explain to me where Guiton looked like a better QB than Bauserman against EMU.


Heres the season stats:

Bauserman: 11-17, 108 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 Scks, 125 RAT, 5 Rsh att, 10 yds
Guiton: 0-0, 0 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 0 Scks, 0 RAT, 3 Rsh att, 19 yds, 1 TD

Again, someone explain outside of a Spring Game where Guiton has outplayed Bauserman. Tangible things please, not "chemistry" or anything like that.

Here's a link to last year's stats for Joe as well...

http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewpla...p?Player=84813

6 for 19. doesn't show throwaways or sacks, unfortunately.

Spring Game (even though it somehow doesn't matter to you) --6/15 with 2 int's.

I get that the spring game isn't the end all be all. It also doesn't mean that future stars haven't shown up for the first time in them either. I get that Joe has more experience than KG. let's remember that Tress hasn't allowed him to throw at all in a game, so the spring game is all we have to base opinions on. His rushing TD against EMU (which was a designed pass) showed he's much more mobile and assertive when running the ball. KG was only 11-21, but threw two TD's and no picks, showing tremendous poise in leading the GW drive.

I don't think there's a factually definitive answer here, as you are implying. Football isn't just about stats anyway. The "hair on fire" QB we saw from Joe yesterday doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Their teammates would appear to agree as KG was picked before Joe in the spring game. I'm simply pointing out that if anything, KG appears to show more poise than JB. imo, that means a great deal.


I'm simply giving my opinion. I get that you disagree. You certainly have your reasons, and I can't dispute your basis. Joe has had several years in the program, and to me, he just hasn't looked good.

For that reason, my opinion is that KG provides us with a better option. It's not like we're talking about unseating a starting QB. We're discussing backups, so potential invariably comes into play.

If Joe was the starter, do you think he'd be that close to pryor's comp percentage? And for the record, 2 sacks in 21 attempts is not something to back up the he doesn't get sacked argument. If you can find stats on throwaways, I'd bet those numbers don't look good either. It means that he's not comfortable making decisions at game speed, so he takes a sack or throws it OOB.

Disagreeing is fine.

We all want what's best for the team. Tress will make the decision based on a lot more information than we have, thankfully.

Just don't be surprised if/when Joe becomes the 3rd QB.

[SEREbuckeye]

Originally Posted by buckeye78

Here's a link to last year's stats for Joe as well...

http://ohiostate.rivals.com/cviewpla...p?Player=84813

6 for 19. doesn't show throwaways or sacks, unfortunately.

Spring Game (even though it somehow doesn't matter to you) --6/15 with 2 int's.

I get that the spring game isn't the end all be all. It also doesn't mean that future stars haven't shown up for the first time in them either. I get that Joe has more experience than KG. let's remember that Tress hasn't allowed him to throw at all in a game, so the spring game is all we have to base opinions on. His rushing TD against EMU (which was a designed pass) showed he's much more mobile and assertive when running the ball. KG was only 11-21, but threw two TD's and no picks, showing tremendous poise in leading the GW drive.

I don't think there's a factually definitive answer here, as you are implying. Football isn't just about stats anyway. The "hair on fire" QB we saw from Joe yesterday doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Their teammates would appear to agree as KG was picked before Joe in the spring game. I'm simply pointing out that if anything, KG appears to show more poise than JB. imo, that means a great deal.


I'm simply giving my opinion. I get that you disagree. You certainly have your reasons, and I can't dispute your basis. Joe has had several years in the program, and to me, he just hasn't looked good.

For that reason, my opinion is that KG provides us with a better option. It's not like we're talking about unseating a starting QB. We're discussing backups, so potential invariably comes into play.

If Joe was the starter, do you think he'd be that close to pryor's comp percentage? And for the record, 2 sacks in 21 attempts is not something to back up the he doesn't get sacked argument. If you can find stats on throwaways, I'd bet those numbers don't look good either. It means that he's not comfortable making decisions at game speed, so he takes a sack or throws it OOB.

Disagreeing is fine.

We all want what's best for the team. Tress will make the decision based on a lot more information than we have, thankfully.

Just don't be surprised if/when Joe becomes the 3rd QB.

- Last years stats? I thought we were talking about this years stats? Hell, last year we also had a different O-Line. I refuse to go into a last year.

- You do know in the Spring Game they aren't allowed to tackle a QB that has a black jersey on, right? You do know that the rules are different, the players rotate much more, and its not a real game? Do you remember Bam Childress? The Spring Game stud? Yeah, he was always a top receiver taken as well but his success failed to translate to game action.

- Throwaways? Look at his completion percentage, it includes incomplete passes. What do incompletions included? Throwaways. I can tell you this much, he hasn't thrown it away more than 6 times out of his 17 attempts. Besides, what are we always screaming at Pryor about? Throw it away, don't take the sack. You can't make throwaways relevant and just to support your cause. Either throwaways are bad, or they are justified - one way.

Again, Im bringing REAL game stats, some of which have come against opponents on the road. You are bringing up practice. Practice, you talkin 'bout practice?

I will agree to disagree with you, but until someone has some sort of valid, concrete statistical evidence that KG is better than JB, JB has to stay #2. You can't assume the plays "feel" or "think" a certain way in the huddle. All we know are the stats.