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Old 11-08-2004, 02:25 PM
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my overall look on the buckeyes (long)

I posted this on bn and figured you guys might like to read it also

Ok where to start:

Tressel has this team and program going in the right direction. I know some of you disagree, but his record speaks for itself. All the players going to the nfl and having success also show great things from tressel.

A.) All of our lineman going to the nfl, who everyone last year said that they sucked, well 3 of them are starting. For those that want to blame the line coach for all the problems look at this quote from Olivea

"Continuity is real important because you get to learn everybody's tendencies and get to know what they're thinking throughout the course of a game," said Olivea, a three-year starter at Ohio State. "You learn what area guys are going to be in and what they're seeing. It's an ongoing process, and I think we're getting better and better every week at recognizing different things and helping each other out.

"It's getting a little evident that we're starting to play together and building cohesiveness. We're more confident in each other; everybody knows what they're doing. They always say, once you're confident in what you're doing you can just go out there and play, and I think that's what we're sort of doing."

I believe he must of heard things like this along the way maybe at tOSU from the coaches. Our line was good last year just our running backs sucked, and teams stacked the box on us, and our qb did what he needed to do to win. Just like he is showing in the nfl right now with the bears(2-0) as a starter. Also the falcons can't keep Jenks out of the lineup because he is showing so much, and they have 3 proven recievers on their team. Also Gamble is showing why he was so highly regarded, and doss is still starting. It is just testemant to our great coaching staff and what it takes to get these kids ready.

B.) Do you know where our offense would be with a top notch running back. We will see next year when pittman and haw are getting the bulk of the carries. We know what tressel wants to do when we get a lead. He wants to run the ball work the clock. Well against PSU and MSU we had the lead and were not able to run the ball very well. Also we shot ourselves in the foot with turnovers and penalties.

C.) So lets take away the penalties and from the last two weeks and we probably add 150 yards of total offense. Since that is what some of you seem to care about. How many yards we rack up on offense. Well Cryami can rack up 500 but not win. I don't care about offense yardage, as long as our offense is doing what it needs to to win.

D.) We have two young qbs just getting their first string of playing time at the next level. I believe they are doing well for being their first starts. Both would look 100x's better if you look at B.) from above. With the emergence of tg2 we will see our qbs get even more comfortable with two targets to throw the ball too. Ginn and tonic(formely known as holmes)<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START --><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END-->

E.) Tressel knows way more about the game of football then anyone here on this board. So what if he doesn't win the pretty way like stoops, carrol, and them. As we can see oklahoma has struggled the past two weeks and usc struggled last week. Also what happened to miami. They lost two in a row two years in a row. Tressel understands about all the parity in college football especially in the big ten. Any team could beat any team on any given saturday, and that is the truth. I would take this conference over any other conference in the nation, even the sec. In a couple years the parity is going to be even higher and then the usc's and oklahoma's arent going to just blow people out. Like texas until they come against a good team. Like cooper used to do.

F.) Also this team is gaining chemistry, and leadership, And most of these players will be back for next year. I can't wait with all the talent we got and coming in next year and they are buying into tressel system it will just be a matter of time until they just explode, with a good running back, good line, smart qb, and great recievers. we all know the defense will be better next year.

G.) I will take tressel over any coach in the ncaa, i don't care about all the glamoros things he has this program headed in the right direction and he can also beat Scum.

H.) Also for all those that say he won with cooper's players, yeah but it was his system, and those that say he can't recruit the seniors know was his year when he took over after the bowl game and didn't have awhole lot of time to go after the people he probably wanted too.(as you can see only like 3 senior starters.

I.) Last of all MeeeCHigan Still sucks.

In Tress We Trust

Go Bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 11-08-2004, 02:38 PM
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I agree with point I
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Some good points...definite discussion material. I agree about the QB's and lack of quality backs for now.

MoC is still haunting us as well....
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i have to agree with many points of this post, although i would have to say that right now, troy smith looks like the best qb option for the buckeyes, and your right michigan does suck
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I agree with most of your points and I think that we are really lacking two main areas.



A) Leadership

B) Toughness

I saw more OSU players helping guys up for MSU all game. I don't understand this and can't wait for the days when we are pushing off people once we make a tackle to get up. There was some hitting going on on Saturday but it really wasn't form our OL. I can't wait to see a Peterson led or coached OL that will want to go out and really bury someone. I think this will come as coach Pete gets more of a say and more work with the OL. I think that will inevitably happen even if Bolman is aboard next year.

I think that Carpenter, Hawk, Mangold and others need to take the reins in the off season and get this team together. They need to someone to step up and take responsibility from a players' perspective. I think we will see this and that they will be fired up for next year.
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Time to take a whack... since it is more fun this way.

I agree with all of your points... but (you knew there was going to be a but) the first point about the offensive line and continuity.

First off that line had there Junior and Senior years together. They should be on the same page by then, but the line got worse, not better. The fact that 3 of them are starting in the NFL also says it is not the talent... IT IS THE COACHING!!!!

Also it was brought up on this board a few weeks ago was that it was mentioned that one of our O-Lineman had to be totally retaught offensive line technique since it was so horrible. Luckily his raw talent helped him become the starter still. What does this say about the O-Line? IT IS THE COACHING!!!

Has it looked better recently? Yes... Why? Could it be the teams we are playing? Or could it be a certain coach is starting to take over on the offensive line (I can dream can't I?) and changing the technique of the O-Line and start firing off the ball instead of pussy footing around and doing side steps and back steps to get "leverage"?

But besides that.. your post is dead on
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"First off that line had there Junior and Senior years together. They should be on the same page by then, but the line got worse, not better. The fact that 3 of them are starting in the NFL also says it is not the talent... IT IS THE COACHING!!!!"

Or it could be our center getting hurt right at the beginning of the season, Douglas going down with his problem, playing mangold at center(newbie) and the fact that clarke got lazy.

Or it could be lack of a running back. Clarrett seemed to just fine behind the line, but when ross was in they looked bad.

Technique can only be taught so much until instincts take over and you do what you need to do to take the guy in front of you out of the play.
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