OL Justin Boren (official thread)

[ScarletStorms]

Originally Posted by HailToMichigan

First off, I don't think you have it right that we're rationalizing selling our soul. It's that we (well, I) don't believe we've sold our soul in the first place. You think so because you think RR is a scumbag. I don't think he's a scumbag.

Second, even if someone like Miles, an old Michigan man, had been hired, there would still have been a huge culture change. Miles may have graduated from Michigan but he has spent nearly two decades outside the program. He would not have come in and maintained the status quo. Well, more so than RR has, but Miles is a head coach in his own right with his own assistants and his own philosophies that have been honed in places outside U-M, and I doubt he would have felt substantially more loyalty to the assistants in place, or the procedures in place, than RR did. And that was the choice least likely to make waves in the program. (Outside of DeBord, that is, whose hire would have brought out the pitchforks and torches en masse.) Mike Boren's words were not, "Had I known there would be a change in philosophy (or attitude, or values, or approach, or....) I would not have let my son go to Michigan." He said "change in coaches." I believe Boren would have found things not particularly to his liking from any coach not named Lloyd Carr. I don't see Boren's departure as any kind of indictment on RR's character, I see a player who was not happy that Carr left, decided to give the new coach a shot but didn't like what he saw, and got out when he was no longer happy, with a little nudging from Pops.

I would be bitter as well had my team lost complete sight of its principles and sold in for short term victories. Listen, we might not be able to pin down one instance that proves RR the morally bankrupt man we know him to be, but there are enough of them that anyone outside of Michigan can infer.

You have stripped your program of its tradition by tearing down a system that best prepares its athletes for the NFL. You chose a coach based on his ability to win, disregarding the manner in which he does. There is honor in losing with character. Ironically, I don't even think you are going to get empty wins.

You have abandoned the core principles that made up Michigan. You don't have to change century old traditions because you are bringing in a new coach. As unimpressive as I believe Les Miles to be, he was a far more qualified candidate, even before he won the championship.

I feel for you, because you have a legitimate reason to be angry. Hell, I have a reason to be angry. This takes away from our rivalry that has helped so much to define both our Universities, even the Big Ten. I hope for your sake, as well as the Big Ten's that his tenure will be short and the damage is not irreparable, even if you can't recognize the position your in yourself.

[Steve19]

Originally Posted by NFBuck

....At what point are you going to tire of defending him on an OSU board? It must be exhausting.

And pointless.

[NFBuck]

Originally Posted by Steve19

And pointless.

Fart in a windstorm pointless. I'm just thankfull all this is archived. In three years, gonna be a lot of fun to dig back up.

[NOTREDAMECHIEF]

Originally Posted by NFBuck

..and you're looking at things through maize-n-blue glasses just as much as we're looking through our scarlet glasses. However, the guy's recruiting history alone raises some flags. The way he bailed on his alma mater for a bigger paycheck with almost zero notice raises some flags. And you can honestly say that a um legacy, that bled maize and blue leaving doesn't raise some questions? I know it would with me. The easy way out would've been to stay silent, but he chose to voice some concerns. His own father played for the almight Bo and is supposedly a m*ch*g*n man through-and-through for Pete's sake.

At what point are you going to tire of defending him on an OSU board? It must be exhausting.

HMMMM! No wonder I have been tired for 3 years...

[Steve19]

Originally Posted by NOTREDAMECHIEF

HMMMM! No wonder I have been tired for 3 years...

Oh, the horror of it all.





Don't go there Justin. Buckeye fans are mean, manipulative people. See that guy on the right? He's one of them. That USC fan thinks the sign says, "have a nice day."

[shetuck]

Sporting News: Yes, Wolverines: you'll be working really hard

I'm not buying it...

Yes, Wolverines: you'll be working really hard

Matt Hayes
March 29, 2008

This is uncomfortable for me because it's something I prefer to steer clear of.

I don't like to take college players to task for one basic reason: They're not paid. For me, it doesn't get beyond "played poorly" or "struggled" or "blew an assignment" because frankly, it's not appropriate.

Besides, coaches are an easy target. They get paid to run the team and get paid to take the criticism.

Only now, I must take exception with Michigan offensive lineman Justin Boren. Earlier this week, Boren said he was leaving Michigan because "family values" he had grown accustomed to had "eroded in just a few months" under new coach Rich Rodriguez.

[...]

Every new coach goes through this; just like every new boss goes through it. It's a process: Weeding out those who don't fit. Some don't like to work hard, some are malcontents.

The big buzz in the first few spring practices at Michigan was offensive linemen adjusting to the no-huddle approach in Rodriguez's scheme. Translation: You're running your ass off.

Those who fall behind will be pushed harder and longer, mentally and physically. That's coaching, people.

Any dime store psychologist will say you can't motivate through fear. Well, a guy named John Wooden -- who won a few championships in his career -- says a coach's best friend is the bench. In other words, play hard or sit.

[...]

Listen people, Rodriguez won 32 games over the last three years. You don't do that by coddling your players.

And anyone who watched the Fiesta Bowl three months ago knows that West Virginia team -- when healthy -- would beat any in college football. If you're Michigan, that's what you hold onto.

Not the words of a departing player who took his ball and whined all the way home.

[matcar]

Originally Posted by ScarletStorms

I would be bitter as well had my team lost complete sight of its principles and sold in for short term victories. Listen, we might not be able to pin down one instance that proves RR the morally bankrupt man we know him to be, but there are enough of them that anyone outside of Michigan can infer.

You have stripped your program of its tradition by tearing down a system that best prepares its athletes for the NFL. You chose a coach based on his ability to win, disregarding the manner in which he does. There is honor in losing with character. Ironically, I don't even think you are going to get empty wins.

You have abandoned the core principles that made up Michigan. You don't have to change century old traditions because you are bringing in a new coach. As unimpressive as I believe Les Miles to be, he was a far more qualified candidate, even before he won the championship.

I feel for you, because you have a legitimate reason to be