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12-13-2004, 01:03 PM
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split from Russell thread- lock down corner discussion
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Originally Posted by gbearbuck
I think the dey to this kid is his versatility... I think we are done with safties in this class... is it me, or are we becomming "saftey U"...?
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If we don't pick up some true lockdown corners, we will need to have some good safeties. You can tell they are recruiting more and more of the safety type guys and some will play corner ala Dustin Fox (Who I like, so don't label me a Fox basher).
It just shows how far we are moving from having a team with consistent man coverage. The coaches obviously feel it fits the scheme to have guys that can tackle better and can play an area of the field as opposed to being able to count on your corner 1 on 1 and using your safties to double team, play deep zone exclusively or blitz. |
12-13-2004, 01:40 PM
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It just shows how far we are moving from having a team with consistent man coverage. The coaches obviously feel it fits the scheme to have guys that can tackle better and can play an area of the field as opposed to being able to count on your corner 1 on 1 and using your safties to double team, play deep zone exclusively or blitz.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
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Oiler - its this very reason that I love lockdown corners - it allows you to play man! This opens up so many options for your team - ie, gives the LBs and safeties the ability to play closer to the line for run support or a blitz package. Playing good man to me allows for swarming/smothering type defenses that are fun to watch. Playing good zone allows for "bend but dont break" type defenses that give up yards but are tougher in the red zone because the zones shrink in size. I think perhaps the lack of a sure lockdown corner since Gamble left has forced us into a more zone type of defense.
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12-13-2004, 02:01 PM
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OilerBuck and NewYorkBuck: We have one lockdown corner already...Youboty. Besides, you just can't go out and search for "lockdown" corners...you think corners are categorized as "lockdown" corners and "soft coverage" corners? Trust me, any staff will take a corner on the spot if they see that he can blanket his man. It's not like our staff is purposely avoiding such corners. 
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12-13-2004, 03:28 PM
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Mili - I agree with you - "lockdown" corner is no like strong and weak safety. By lockdown, I meant corners who can play almost any receiver man. It seems to me that compared to these types of guys, safeties are a dime a dozen. True man corners are indeed rare.
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12-13-2004, 03:45 PM
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After Youboty things get awful thin at corner, IMO. Will EJ be around and if so will he improve? Will Ginn see some time at corner? Is Jamario going to end up at safety or corner? After that you have Michael Roberts, Shaun Lane and Brandon Underwood. While they may turn out to be good players for us you have to take a wait and see approach with every other corner on the roster other than Youboty. I like the fact the staff is going after Carlos Thomas. Maybe Sledge could get a look at corner as well?
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12-13-2004, 05:08 PM
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Lock down corners are very rare. Donte W. was the #1 rated cornerback recruit two seasons ago. The staff evaluated him once he was suited up and they decided that he would make a great safety (I think they made the right decision).
Teddy Ballgame again was the #1 cornerback recruit last season. I think the staff made a great decision to move him to WR.
Next season we have Jamaraio coming in. He is at least one of the top corner recruits in the country. I'll trust Tress and the staff on evaluating where he will help the team.
Chris Gamble turned into a lock down corner for us in 2002. He was a WR and was moved to cb out of need. In order to get him on the field, they had to play him man because he didn't know all the defensive schemes.
The past two season, Dustin Fox was our guy. Despite people arguing that he doesn't have the hips or that his rightfule position is safety, he became our most dependable corner since Nate Clements.
My point with this rambling? You cannot recruit a "lock down" corner out of high school. Ashton Y is a fine example. He is developing into one great corner. Key there, developing. Corner is such a tough position that involves such intricate technique and an understanding of not only your position, but the position of the WR. To conclude, I think the staff is doing a great job recruiting the secondary. They are bringing in guy's with tremendous talent and natural abilties and they are teaching them the position that they will excel at.
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12-13-2004, 05:35 PM
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the thing that some are forgetting is that for the last 2 seasons coming into this one, you couldnt run the ball on osu, which forced more teams into throwing situations and spread attacks. as such, there is an increased emphasis on having safeties with good coverage abilities. With the DL coming back next year, I expect running on osu is going to be a tough task.
while it is nice to be able to put your cb's on an island and run different blitz packages, its also a nice luxury to be able to run different zone schemes to confuse the offense and not have to worry about safeties getting burnt.
A good offensive scheme will figure a way to beat man coverage, and even the best get burnt. having both safeties and cb's that can cover, thereby allowing a defense to utilize several different schemes will only make the defense stronger overall. |
12-13-2004, 05:54 PM
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I believe Youboty was characterized as a safety as a recruit, and Whitner was unquestionably characterized as a corner. Things change. We cannot predict very accurately who in our recruiting class (or even in our group of redshirts) will be the next "lockdown" corner.
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