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Posted on Tue, Dec. 28, 2004
ALAMO ADMISSION

Geiger concedes something amiss in OSU football program
By Tom Reed
Beacon Journal staff writer

SAN ANTONIO - Ohio State athletic director Andy Geiger made a painful concession Tuesday with regards to the controversy surrounding the Buckeyes football program.

Some allegations levied by former OSU star Maurice Clarett, concerning improper benefits bestowed on players, have merit.

Geiger's admission came on a day he announced the athletic program would ``disassociate'' itself with Dayton-area businessman and OSU booster Robert Q. Baker, who allegedly gave quarterback Troy Smith an unspecified amount of cash in the spring and attempted to arrange jobs for Smith and freshman tailback Antonio Pittman.

The university suspended Smith last week for tonight's Alamo Bowl against Oklahoma State for violating team and NCAA rules. The quarterback also is likely to miss the 2005 season opener, making it a two-game suspension.

Ohio State is taking no action against Pittman. The Buchtel graduate was cleared of any wrongdoing after school officials met with Columbus attorney and Buckeye booster Geoffrey Webster, who informed them Dec. 9 of Baker's indiscretions.

Neither Webster nor Baker returned phone messages.

The Buckeyes football program has been mired in controversy since last month when Clarett accused it of wide-ranging improprieties in an ESPN The Magazine story. Part of his accusations included cash payments from boosters and the arrangement of high-paying, no-show jobs.

``I'm not sure that I think that everything that Maurice said lacked credence,'' Geiger said. ``But what wasn't there is what is there now -- we have an example of something that has happened.

``Do I think it's systemic or widespread? I have no evidence of that.''

Geiger has been the university's most vocal critic of Clarett, whom he suspended a year ago for taking improper benefits and lying about them to investigators. The athletic director had said last month he was ``very confident'' the program would be exonerated when the NCAA reopened its probe.

Coach Jim Tressel, who admits to knowing Baker, said the latest revelation fails to support Clarett's claims. Baker, 46, is a 1981 graduate of Baldwin-Wallace, where he played football for Tressel's late father, Lee Tressel.

``They are not close,'' Geiger said of Tressel's relations with Baker.

Baker and two others rent a luxury 35-yard-line suite at Ohio Stadium. Geiger said possible sanctions against Baker could include: barring him from purchasing tickets or buying into a suite. He also could lose the privilege of attending practice, a perk for some boosters.

Geiger and Tressel believe the Buckeyes are not guilty of the NCAA's most serious charge ``lack of institutional control,'' insisting they had no prior knowledge of boosters supplying Clarett or Smith with improper benefits.

``I don't know if anyone inferred if there is any bliss and, certainly, ignorance is not bliss,'' Tressel said. ``Are we flawless? No.... But I don't feel bad at all about our intentions of doing things the best we can possibly do.''

Geiger said compliance education needs to become ``a mania'' at OSU, but that if a rogue booster is intent on breaking rules, ``I confess to you that I feel defenseless in that regard.''

The athletic director expressed dismay that any athletes would take improper gifts after all the attention the Clarett case generated a year ago.

``I think Troy is a good kid who made a mistake,'' Geiger said. ``He probably had a legitimate need, and he was stretched and stressed.''

Webster, 56, an attorney for Baker's former Columbus-based company Poly-Care Services, told the Associated Press that he called the university after employees described an envelope being given to Smith.

``No matter what was in it, if you don't have to do anything for it, it's wrong to lay that in front of a 19-year-old man, who's just stepping out on his own,'' said Webster, an Ohio State graduate and longtime booster.

Baker helped found Poly-Care but left the company for unrelated reasons a month ago. Webster, who handles Poly-Care code of conduct violations, received an employee complaint regarding two football players who in the spring briefly visited the office of Baker's assistant, Benjamin Dutton.

Geiger said Webster informed OSU investigators that Pittman never returned or received improper benefits.

``We have no evidence whatsoever that Antonio did anything wrong,'' Geiger said.

The interoffice complaint states Smith received an envelope, and Dutton asked Baker by phone what work Smith needed to do in exchange.

``(Dutton) was told: `Nothing, just take it and leave,' '' Webster told the Associated Press. ``The remark was made by Mr. Baker: `Good, now I own him.' ''

The comment disturbed Geiger.

``There are those who want to control some sense of proprietorship or ownership with regard to student athletes, and the reasons for that are scary,'' he said.

Baker's former company is no stranger to the Buckeyes program. Former OSU star Chris Gamble signed autographs for nursing home residents while delivering supplies for the company in 2003.

OSU investigated the incident but found no wrongdoing. Geiger said it's unlikely they will look into Gamble's ties again.

Tressel was asked if the accumulation of accusations and player arrests is tarnishing his reputation or that of the program.

``We've talked about what does that word reputation actually mean,'' he said. ``I guess it's in the eyes of the beholder.... But I feel good about the way our institution attacks helping young people and the job we do of creating educational opportunities.''
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Is the Smith ordeal going to be the smoking gun to some of MoC's allegations and going to push the NCAA to continue to investigate OSU...
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Is the Smith ordeal going to be the smoking gun to some of MoC's allegations and going to push the NCAA to continue to investigate OSU...
I think our in-house investigations find more than the NCAA can find. I also think the NCAA is aware that tOSU is trying very hard to follow all of the rules.
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I wish we could just [censored]ing play football...and not have to worry about all this other off the field crap.
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This isn't sounding good at all... I just hope this is the end of it
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The thing that disturbs me the most is that just when you think the dust is beginning to settle, a new accusation comes to light. This stuff is starting to really [censored] me off.

They need to distance the boosters from this program, in a sense big business is running our football program right now.
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in a sense big business is running our football program right now.
Wasn't the school inviting just such problems once they got into the luxury box business? I'm no engineer, but it looks to me like OSU could have had a lot more seats available to students and alums had they not courted the big money set.
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Yes.

I think that they are doing the same with the basketball arena, and when the team starts to win 20 games a year under Matta you will see more talk of this. Unfortunately I think that Geiger sold his soul to get the Schott, and the renovations at the Shoe. Now some of these people who helped him get there are taking advantage of their status.
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...I think that Geiger sold his soul to get the Schott, and the renovations at the Shoe.
I wanted to see them go the way of Penn State and Tennessee and put more butts in seats instead of making a home for fat cats. I can't speak for luxury boxes in the shoe, but I've seen a couple games from the boxes at Paul Brown and Riverfront and it was sad. The people inside were there to drink and schmooze each other. They barely noticed there was a game going on... of course when you're talking about the Reds and the Bengals there's little to prove that a game was in progress.
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Personally, I think this sounds "so bad" and like "so much" because we come to this board to keep up to speed. If you were relying ONLY on your local media you would have much less info.

That is, I've come to realize nothing has changed with respect to the goings on of the program. What HAS changed is my ability to acquire more information from more sources.

Ignorance truley is bliss. When Cris Carter was suspended way back when... it is just something that happened... If the net had been around, i'm sure I would have been "all up in it" Dig?
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The thing that disturbs me the most is that just when you think the dust is beginning to settle, a new accusation comes to light.
This might not ever be over until there is a fall guy established and he pays the price whether it be athletic official, coach, or AD...
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This might not ever be over until there is a fall guy established and he pays the price whether it be athletic official, coach, or AD...

Firing someone will not solve the problem. There will still be booster wanting to rub elbows with the players. That's the problem, not the athletic department.

And, I don't agree that bringing in the big money has caused the problem. First, the big money has always been there. Second, the athletic department keeps the players at "arm's length" from the boosters, according to Geiger's statements yesterday. There is no encouragement by OSU for the boosters and players to have contact.

Perhaps they should go one step further and actually DISCOURAGE contact?
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Heaben forbid Geiger be the first one to tell tOSU's side of the story...he had to let the Dispatch do it first. Geiger would have a lot more credibilty with me if he would be a little more proactive than reactive.
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If OSU comes out and tells who the booster is, then they both sacrifice Smith's privacy and they basically send a "you better move or you will be vandalized, attacked or worse for what you've done" message to the booster.

OSU can't be the one to doom the guy to a lifetime of hatred in Ohio.

I'm not against them being a little more open, but Tressel made it sound like this is something that Smith should come forward and clear up (tho that still wouldn't reveal the booster).
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Um, the booster has already been identified (by the Dispatch). I think OSU was right not to reveal him for liability reasons, but it has nothing to to with Smith's "privacy".
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