Urban Meyer and Florida football (Merged)

[Diehard Buckeye]

what site is this on???



THE Ohio State University

[stxbuck]

Deep down, I don't want scUM to go completely in the crapper, program wise. That said, anyone wants them undefeated goinginto the game is absolutely nuts. I don't want them to have a team THAT good-that would mean they were the #1 team in the country every frickin' year-good lord-who would want that?!? Lloyd's handling of things is just fine for me.
Also, anyone who thinks that a guy like Meyer is going to waltz into the Big 10 or SEC and turn it into their personal punching bag is nuts. Can Meyer keep a top caliber program running, w/ recruiting at the accustomed level-yes, probably, but don't go nuts. The talent levels in the WAC and MAC are far from those at big time-SEC,Big 10- conference schools, and there are far fewer highly talented coaches-Tressel,Saban,Tiller,Alvarez,Richt,Fulmer-to A-compete against recruiting wise, and B-match wits with on a gameday level. Meyer is a great prospect, but anyone who thinks he could waltz in and go 10-1 or 11-0 every year at scUM or Florida is smoking big crack........

[BB73]

Most of the teams that had a coach that was moving on did poorly in their bowl games. But Utah was focused.

LSU - lost on last-second bomb
Miami Univ - lost
Pitt - lost by 28
ND - lost by 17
Syracuse - lost by 37
Florida - lost by 17

But Utah won big. Palko throws for 5 TD's against ND, and Pitt gets only 7 points against Utah. Does anybody believe Utah has better athletes than ND?

If you saw the screen pass followed by the hook-and-ladder that went for a TD, you saw what coaching schemes and good execution can do.

He'll be interesting to watch in the SEC, where it won't be so easy.

And once again, thanks to Mike Tranghese for securing that automatic BCS spot for the Big East. Pitt really looked like they belonged in a BCS game.
Utah-Pitt was a much better game than Utah-Cal would have been.

[buckzip]

I feel UM will lead Florida back to NC contention on a regular basis.
Now that he has more talent, and a solid recruiting base, the sky is the limit.

Alot of people still don't respect him, but I feel he will win big at Florida.

[BB73]

Originally Posted by buckzip

I feel UM will lead Florida back to NC contention on a regular basis.
Now that he has more talent, and a solid recruiting base, the sky is the limit.

Alot of people still don't respect him, but I feel he will win big at Florida.

What kind of a knee-jerk reaction is that?

Listen to your wife and shut the hell up!

Sorry - wrong thread!

[buckzip]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBill73

What kind of a knee-jerk reaction is that?

Listen to your wife and shut the hell up!

Sorry - wrong thread!

Damn it she is asleep. I didn't hear her this time.

[BB73]

Originally Posted by buckzip

I feel UM will lead Florida back to NC contention on a regular basis.
Now that he has more talent, and a solid recruiting base, the sky is the limit.

Alot of people still don't respect him, but I feel he will win big at Florida.

I agree with you. They're already cranking up the 'Chris Leak for Heisman' campaign in Gainesville. I bet he'll enjoy the new offense.

[Beenthere77]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBill73

I agree with you. They're already cranking up the 'Chris Leak for Heisman' campaign in Gainesville. I bet he'll enjoy the new offense.

After watching the Miami game, I didn't get the impression Leak was too excited about contact. The QB will be taking a lot of shots with all the running required. Can you imagine Young in that offense or, even better, the Bucks with Smith at QB?

[Dryden]

Originally Posted by Beenthere77

After watching the Miami game, I didn't get the impression Leak was too excited about contact.

I don't know what the Peach Bowl was all about, but it sure looked to me like there were a lot of players who didn't see the point in actually making an effort to win the game. Leak was more likely to injure himself falling down or sliding than he was from contact, and Hester routinely ran out of bounds 10-yards before anyone would've been able to hit him ... heck, pick up at least another 5, will ya?!

[AnnArborBuck]

It will be interesting to see what UM can do at Florida. The problem he is going to run into are that the athletes on D that he will be facing will be much bigger, stronger, and faster then those he currently works against. Not everything that works in one conference/division will work in another due to the different styles of play, different players, etc, etc. He has only stayed two years at each of the past two schools, it is hard to determine how effective he will be as a long term coach because he has never been a long term (4+ years) coach. Nobody has really even seen what this guy can do recruiting wise, as he is playing with another coach's recruits.

[tibor75]

Pittsburgh stinks. They wouldn't have had a winning record in the Big 10. It's a shame that Utah couldn't attempt to prove themeselves against a decent team.

[BuckeyeNation27]

Syracuse - lost by 37

syracuse ditched their coach because of this loss....not before.

[daddyphatsacs]

I'm still not sold on Meyer, he beat up on an average Pitt team who had no business being in a BCS game, big deal.

I like his offensive mind, but he won't mop up teams like he did at Utah in the SEC. What I'm interested to see is the Florida fans react to an average season out of Meyer. Maybe they'll stop crying.

[Dryden]

Originally Posted by AnnArborBuck

It will be interesting to see what UM can do at Florida. The problem he is going to run into are that the athletes on D that he will be facing will be much bigger, stronger, and faster then those he currently works against. Not everything that works in one conference/division will work in another due to the different styles of play, different players, etc, etc.

True, but the athletes he'll have at his disposal on offense will similarly be bigger, stronger, and faster. Meyer's offense clearly works very well. The numbers aren't as gaudy as what teams like Boise, Louisville, and Texas Tech put up, it's more traditional in the sense that it's a ball control, possession offense that provides his defense time to rest while picking up 1st downs, not just big play touchdowns. The difference between UM and the others is that his teams play solid, disciplined defense, and the offense isn't designed to score every 1:30 while hanging the defense out to dry.

Originally Posted by AnnArborBuck

He has only stayed two years at each of the past two schools, it is hard to determine how effective he will be as a long term coach because he has never been a long term (4+ years) coach. Nobody has really even seen what this guy can do recruiting wise, as he is playing with another coach's recruits.

The fact that UM does what he does with other coaches' players is a testament to how great a coach Urban Meyer is. In four years as a head coach, he is 38-8.

2001 Bowling Green 8-3
2002 Bowling Green 9-3
2003 Utah 10-2
2004 Utah 12-0

His 2001 BGSU team lost to Byron Leftwich's Marshall and Ben Roethlisberger's Miami teams. His 2002 BGSU team lost to a great Northern Illinois team and to Toledo in the MAC championship (played in Toledo). His 2003 Utah team lost to A&M at College Station by only two points. I mean, with an .800 winning percentage and a PF/PA margin of 1700/980, clearly the man can coach. This Utah team went 5-6 before UM arrived. His BGSU team was even worse, having gone 2-9 in 2000 under a ten-year coach, Gary Blackney.

Since UM left Bowling Green, BGSU has enjoyed an 11-3 season and another 9-3 season. That 11-3 2003 season included their loss to OSU and losing (again) to Roethlisberger's Miami team (twice). They've gone to, and won, the Motor City Bowl in 2003 and the GMAC Bowl in 2004. It looks to me like UM left BGSU in capable hands and with a ton of talent.

Whether the offense has a lot of gadgets and gimmicks isn't really relevent, a good college coach is a good college coach at any level or in any division. A lot of people said the same thing about JT making the jump from D1AA to the big time at OSU, and I think JT has aquitted himself quite nicely.

The only thing that will be unique for UM in his new situation is how he handles a culture of fans and boosters that think 10 wins and a BCS bowl is a birthright, as opposed to programs that view 10 wins and a CCG appearance as a bonus.

[wadc45]

I just think the offensive schemes he uses are extremely creative. Lots of diversions. Having an athletic QB like Chris Leak should make the transition pretty easy for Urban. I can see him running a lot of those shotgun double options, or option/shovel pass plays with Chris Leak, DeShawn Wynn or Markus Manson, and a WR like Jemalle Cornelius, who reminds me a little bit of Utah WR Paris Warren.