Urban Meyer (Merged)

[stxbuck]

Originally Posted by Folanator

Those of you who seem to be offended by negative recruiting must never had to sell to make a living. You do not truly slander the competition you just tell the prospect your concerns. It would go something like this.<O</O
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"This is a big decision that will effect the rest of your life. I love the SEC and Alabama is a fantastic school. I know coach Shula personally and he is a tremendous person. This is not a slam against their program but if I were you I would be thinking about issues X Y Z when you look at where you are going to spend the next 4-5 years of your life."<O</O
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You can always make your point and not make it sound like you are slinging mud. If you cannot make it sound professional you should never be in some kids home for a recruiting visit. EVERY school will make their point about the weaknesses of a rival’s school, just some coaches can make their point without sounding like a slime bag. You are fooling yourself if you do not think tOSU doesn't do the exact same thing. <O</O

I agree-that is a smart sales pitch-disadvantages of brand/school x vs. your product/school-if they are legitimate concerns. That said, depth charts and legitimate sanction/coaching concerns are not sleazy recruiting.
Bringing up "other" issues-whatever they might be, and outright lying cross the line into sleazeville.

[Steve19]

Originally Posted by ant80

Apparently you can't do statistics. When you pop the numbers in, you get a pretty low 'p' value. Which means the difference IS significant. Do it yourself if you want.

Ya, I've got too much time on my hands.

Which statistical test did you use? If you test the average number of violations by team (.64 vs. .91) and use uneven samples sizes (11 vs 12), by my count there is no significant difference (p > .50).

The significance is .11 (still not below .05) if you test proportions, but this isn't a proportion and the sample sizes are not the same.

Did I miss something?

[dingyibvs]

I didn't do any calculations myself, but by a rough glance, it would seem pretty obvious that the sample size is too small for a difference of 4 to be significant.

[osugrad21]

EVERY program in America breaks rules...it is the extent to which those rules are broken and whether it is intention or an oversight that separates this discussion. However, any comparing of programs over minor issues, mistakes, or oversights is 100% stone/glass house conversation.

Recruiting rules are stretched to the absolute limit...

[Thump]

Originally Posted by osugrad21

EVERY program in America breaks rules...it is the extent to which those rules are broken and whether it is intention or an oversight that separates this discussion. However, any comparing of programs over minor issues, mistakes, or oversights is 100% stone/glass house conversation.

Recruiting rules are stretched to the absolute limit...

Damnit, you beat me to it.

Every university has broken a rule, just matters who the unfortunate one's are who get caught.

[smith403]

Originally Posted by osugrad21

EVERY program in America breaks rules...it is the extent to which those rules are broken and whether it is intention or an oversight that separates this discussion. However, any comparing of programs over minor issues, mistakes, or oversights is 100% stone/glass house conversation.

Recruiting rules are stretched to the absolute limit...

Excellent Post!

[methomps]

Originally Posted by Steve19

Honest question: how does that compare with the PAC10, Big12, Big East, ACC? Anyone know?

Having trouble with teh BE and ACC, but the Pac10 has 7 and the Big12 has 10