Michael "0-4" Hart

[FookMichiganTGJ]

i dont get why this kid is getting soo much attention.... the reason why he ran for 1400 last year was because of Bray Bray. Henne isnt even good, if you watched THE GAME...all they did was throw alley oops to bray but ashton is just too damn good. I expect michigan to go 8-4 get killed by iowa and us and henne and hart do nothing

[GoBucks459]

As much as I hate Michigan, I'm not gonna say that Hart sucks or anything. Hart is a solid back who indeed had a great freshman yr. BUT, yeah a lot of his success has to be atributed to Braylon. Michigan wouldnt be much if it wernt for Braylon Edwards. Henne i think is overhyped at this point, he was stacked around great receivers last year with Edwards, Breaston and Avant plus a good back in Hart. Now add Grady/Simpson/Martin to that backfield. Obviously, thats gonna only help Henne's chances of getting more unnecessary attention....

[FookMichiganTGJ]

solid but will not get close to heisman

[illinoisbuckeye]

Originally Posted by FookMichiganTGJ

solid but will not get close to heisman

according the si.com today, hart is ahead of ginn in the preseason heisman race according to Luke Winn

[rocketman]

Hart didn't accomplish anything in the Game because we did a ridiculously good job of containing him. And Texas took notice...

Hart is a talented back and if our d-line slips up then he could very much tear us a new ass a la Chris Perry in 2003.

[greatwhitenorth]

Hart is a good back but i don't believe he is a game changing back like Peterson or MoC was for us (sorry for bringing that up). Henne also is a good QB and should only get better, but it does help having Edwards and co. Yes we all dislike Michigan on this board but we should give respect to their good players. Now that doesn't mean you can't bash their players, so feel free to do that all you want. But i also don't have to tell you that.

[SonofJorEl]

A couple of things..



1. Hart saved our BUTT bigtime last year....without the establishment of a running game, we would have seen more games like ND....



2. To say this kid ran for 1400 yds because of Edwards is foolish IMO..

If you watch the kid run...his running abilities are simply PHENOMENAL...and that is without being "fast"...

His vision is uncanny, he sees things before they happen, he's VERY shifty, and his balance is off the charts...


He says he's faster now...which I'll wait to see....

Is he better than Peterson? No...Peterson's size and speed combo is freakish..

Is he as legit as Ginn as a Heisman candidate? Certainly IMO...the award favors QB's and RB's more than any other position...

Do I think he wins it? No...if nothing else because he won't carry the ball as much as last year with Grady and Mad Max also in the mix..

[aurorabuckeye13]

Originally Posted by illinoisbuckeye

according the si.com today, hart is ahead of ginn in the preseason heisman race according to Luke Winn

yes but he also put Omar Jacobs ahead of both of them which we know the chances of that happening are slim to none

sorry to hijack the thread a little so i'll put in some input on hart... good back helped by a solid o-line that will be hurting after the loss of bass
He also got helped out by having some good recievers Edwards(great), Avant and Breaston (solid)

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by R0CK3TM4NN

Hart is a talented back and if our d-line slips up then he could very much tear us a new ass a la Chris Perry in 2003.

Perry didn't tear us a new ass due to our DL, but rather because we didn't have an established MLB in The Game. No way Hart pulls a Perry on us...

[greatwhitenorth]

2. To say this kid ran for 1400 yds because of Edwards is foolish IMO..

If you watch the kid run...his running abilities are simply PHENOMENAL...and that is without being "fast"...

His vision is uncanny, he sees things before they happen, he's VERY shifty, and his balance is off the charts...


He says he's faster now...which I'll wait to see....

Is he better than Peterson? No...Peterson's size and speed combo is freakish..

Is he as legit as Ginn as a Heisman candidate? Certainly IMO...the award favors QB's and RB's more than any other position...

Do I think he wins it? No...if nothing else because he won't carry the ball as much as last year with Grady and Mad Max also in the mix.

Its not that foolish to say Hart was helped by Edwards, becuase Edwards allowed for a strong passing game, which in turn allowed for a better running game. Yes Hart is a good back but i wouldn't go as for a saying, "his running abilities are simply PHENOMENAL". Ted Ginn Jr. has Phenomenal running skills, Hart just has good running skills. Hart will have another good to great year, but i don't think he has the game breaking ability of the other top college players. Hart is a good player but he is also helped by michigans strong o-line, much like other michigan backs who were good in college but busts in the nfl.

[slickman]

In comparing Ginn vs Hart there is no comparison.

But let's start with Hart. While my Buckeye brethren will jump to insult or curse him for his colors, let me be one who says I really like that kid. For lack of a better metaphor he has great heart and exceptional toughness. He never had the opportunity to put up good numbers in Columbus because our offense showed up (bigtime) and forced Michigan to play catch-up/keep-up which precludes the running game when it isn't breaking off big chunks righ off the bat. Hart is a real easy player to like when the accouncers talk about him and just watching him run makes you feel good for the smallish backs (as long as he's having success NOT Verses the Buckeyes).

Ginn on the other hand is a once in a lifetime, virtuoso of an athlete and while Clark Kent aka Son of J-Bone brings up a valid point that rarely anyone outside of RB or QB get considered he should look at his last 2 Heisman Wnners that Cooper could not get to stay HOME and cooperate and win championships... but I digress...

Ginn is not just a wide out. Not just a corner who switches on occassion. I cannot express what he is, but happily I must say that other teams are going to be hard-pressed to bottle him up and because they couldn't do it last year he's got publicity raining down on him as only a handlful of programs in the country can get. If he can do better than last year, he'll be in New York for the Heisman presentation, but won't win it because of tradition- unless they consider him a lock to leave early only then might they reconsider- and he has to be the leader by a wide-wide-wide-Mississippi margin.

Hart's an awesome player, but they're already making up numerous folksongs about Ginn.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by slickman

...He never had the opportunity to put up good numbers in Columbus because our offense showed up (bigtime) and forced Michigan to play catch-up/keep-up which precludes the running game when it isn't breaking off big chunks righ off the bat...

Actually, we started shutting him down once we started playing tighter defense with our secondary up close. He didn't do squat after their second drive of the game...they had several more drives before we even took the lead, and at halftime the lead was still close at 20-14. They had two more posessions in the second half before Ginn broke the TD punt return and still Hart didn't do squat. It wasn't until Smith hit Holmes to put us up 34-14 that Michigan had to abandon the running game.

[jwinslow]

The fact taht Hart got caught in teh backfield all day long doesn't mean he's not good. If the defense gets the best of the OL, the RB is tackled unless his name is Barry Sanders. Peterson is obviously a very talented back but can't create his own holes.

Very few RBs can have success if their OL does not block well.

So saying that he got shut down in The Game is not a sign of his lack of skill. I think he's pretty talented, and there were some nice moves in teh backfield a few times to get an extra 5 yards.

Should he be a leading Heisman candidate? Probably not... tho what nobody wants to admit is that the kid put up almost 1500 yards as a true freshman. Regardless of whether or not he had the luxury of a strong passing game and OL, he still had great success. I think Eddie had a pretty good team around him too, but we're not writing him off.

Statistically speaking, Ginn has only done a few things outside of his punt returns. Now all of us taht watched him closely all year realize that he's insanely talented and will have another great year next year. However on paper, Hart looks like a better heisman pick due to his stats. I think we all know that Ginn can't be measured on paper however.

[wadc45]

Hard to win the Heisman from the bench...and that's where Hart may end up if Grady is as good as advertised...

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeFROMscUM

The fact taht Hart got caught in teh backfield all day long doesn't mean he's not good. If the defense gets the best of the OL, the RB is tackled unless his name is Barry Sanders. Peterson is obviously a very talented back but can't create his own holes.

Very few RBs can have success if their OL does not block well.

So saying that he got shut down in The Game is not a sign of his lack of skill. I think he's pretty talented, and there were some nice moves in teh backfield a few times to get an extra 5 yards.

My point was countering slickman's assertion that Hart didn't run well against us because our offense played so well. Once we quit worrying about long passes and started pressing the line, Hart didn't have gaps he was accustomed to. No one is saying he's not a good back. He's an excellent back...you don't get multiple (3?) 200-yard games if you're not. However, I don't think he's Heisman-caliber.