Charlie Weis (official thread)

[jwinslow]

Originally Posted by merbele

After seeing the pressers leadingup to the Fiesta Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl itself, and the stories of his arrogance afterwards, and at the coaches conference this past week, I am wondering if you still agree with this statement. My opinion is that Weiss couldn'e hold Tressels jock in the class and sportsmanship department

I definitely do not. I've criticized Weis quite a bit in other fiesta bowl threads since I witnessed those same events. My comments were based on what I saw before the bowl season... as in preseason and during the Michigan and USC weeks, etc.

[crazybuckfan40]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

I definitely do not. I've criticized Weis quite a bit in other fiesta bowl threads since I witnessed those same events. My comments were based on what I saw before the bowl season... as in preseason and during the Michigan and USC weeks, etc.

I agree with you here. Weis's head is getting in the way, and will eventually be his downfall I think. He is living off his own hype that he got from coaching in the NFL. I think right now kids are enamored by his NFL sucess and Notre Dame's so called return.

Unless he gets a defense in there and fast this could turn on him as fast as it turned on Willingham.

[Mr. Clutch]

Originally Posted by crazybuckfan40

I agree with you here. Weis's head is getting in the way, and will eventually be his downfall I think. He is living off his own hype that he got from coaching in the NFL. I think right now kids are enamored by his NFL sucess and Notre Dame's so called return.

Unless he gets a defense in there and fast this could turn on him as fast as it turned on Willingham.

Great post. I think that Weis is a great coach, but his ego will either make or break his stint in South Bend. I don't think that he will pull a "Willingham," though. Considering he started from scratch and many people were assuming they'd only win about six games this year, I'd say he did a pretty good job. I agree with you on the matter that he needs to get some defensive help. The guy is known for being an offensive mastermind, and he could definitely use some help by hiring a really good defensive coordinator.

[ohiostate=life]

That winning six games this year prediction was assuming the top SOS they started with would follow through. Luckily for Weis and the Domer faithful everyone they played they thought was going to be good sucked (Tenn, Mich, Purdue, Pitt). The fact they overachieved by winning more than six games is no credit to Weis. He can thank guys like Mark May who thought Purdue would win the Big 10 and Pitt would win the Big Least.

[crazybuckfan40]

Originally Posted by BCSBust

Great post. I think that Weis is a great coach, but his ego will either make or break his stint in South Bend. I don't think that he will pull a "Willingham," though. Considering he started from scratch and many people were assuming they'd only win about six games this year, I'd say he did a pretty good job. I agree with you on the matter that he needs to get some defensive help. The guy is known for being an offensive mastermind, and he could definitely use some help by hiring a really good defensive coordinator.

As Ohiostate=life said there schedule turned out to be very weak. Lets also remember not many people were thinking Ty would win that many in his first year either. I think it will be hard for Weis to get a big name b/c why take a job to work with an arrogant prick.

Nevada posted on bn that he was like a loner at hte coaches meeting this past weekend.

I also think he will eventually but heads with alumni and supporters of Notre Dame.

I am kind of interested to see what Cheif thinks about his future.

[jlb1705]

Originally Posted by osugrad21

10 year deal and already have this...

http://www.cancharlie.com/

Rick "Nuclear Winter" Minter... UC fans (both of 'em) will appreciate that one.

[NOTREDAMECHIEF]

That site is obviously the work of someone who either hates ND, is afraid that CW will indeed bring ND back, or both.....

[jlb1705]

And it's also obviously funny as [censored] and cool as crap.

[MililaniBuckeye]

I hope we can get a home/away series with ND before Weis leaves...

[Bucklion]

I dunno about the Weis guy...seems to me that if things don't go significantly his way in the next 2 years or so, he may be looking to head back to the NFL. I really don't know if he can ever be a great college coach, but it is certainly too early to make that type of claim.

[Steve19]

Personally, I am not convinced by Weis. He definitely understands the Notre Dame tradition and he plays a lot of those cards well. But, his personal failings may take him down in the end. I think we saw the real guy during the game with Ohio State. That's the first time at Notre Dame that he really was getting his arse kicked and he could not handle it.

One thing to remember in life: expectancy disconfirmation theory. The higher the expecations, the more the disappointment when expectations are not met. We'll see what the future holds for Weis.

[Bucklion]

Originally Posted by Steve19

Personally, I am not convinced by Weis. He definitely understands the Notre Dame tradition and he plays a lot of those cards well. But, his personal failings may take him down in the end. I think we saw the real guy during the game with Ohio State. That's the first time at Notre Dame that he really was getting his arse kicked and he could not handle it.

One thing to remember in life: expectancy disconfirmation theory. The higher the expecations, the more the disappointment when expectations are not met. We'll see what the future holds for Weis.

I'll add to this that being a great, or even a good, head college coach is a lot different than having a good football mind (which he has). Hell, Coach Tressel would probably tell you it is refreshing to get to the Xs and Os football once in a while, with all of the other stuff he is expected to do. I don't know that Weis, after having been basically holed up in the film room 20 hours a day in New England, is ready or able to fulfill those types of commitments, or recruit effectively.

[sandgk]

We know there is more to recruiting than simply bringing in highly touted blue-chippers, yet it realistically remains an important maxim. By that standard, with barely one spot remaining to be filled, Weis and ND are doing just fine in the business of selling student athletes on ND. SCOUT

As for the harder standard of doing the right things with that personnel once on campus, I agree the jury is out - particularly on defense. Perhaps some of those top-rated DBs like McNeil will help them level the playing field so that Quinn and the rest of a returning offense will not have to simply play shoot-out football next year, and be given a security blanket.

The other interesting comment (Charles Babb) I heard went to how tight the ND players were at the Fiesta Bowl on game day compared to their confidence three days prior to the game. Lesson, Weis had his team peaking early - and was treating this too much like a business trip. I agree with the thrust of Babb's critique of Weis' approach to the Fiesta Bowl, too much pro style prep, too little time to relax for what still remain young men.

[BoxCar_Willie]

Originally Posted by osugrad21

10 year deal and already have this...

http://www.cancharlie.com/

This site actually makes some valid points. When I first heard this story I thought about the same thing



6. Pass Right for Public Relations


We've all heard the tragic story of 10-year-old Montana Mazurkiewicz. In fact, we've all heard it around 300 times thanks to Weis immediately informing any media outlet that would cover his good deed. Don't get me wrong. Montana's story was infinitely tragic, and the thoughts and prayers of everyone here go out for him and his family. We're also glad that Montana was given the chance to meet his hero and call a play for the Irish (and we'll assume he aided the ensuing leap by pulling from heaven). We feel, however, that Coach Weis should have left it at that. There was absolutely no need to contact ESPN with the story a day after the game (and give 2000 interviews on the subject). Contrast the "pass right" affair with similar events that took place at Maimi, Cal, and Michigan this year. In those cases, the stories barely broke, and everyone involved remained tight-lipped in reverence. We're happy that Weis took time out to help, but we pray that he didn't do it solely to boost his sinking stock.

[ohiobuck94]