Michigan WR Mario Manningham (official thread)

[Steve19]

Originally Posted by TexasBuck

Saw this on another board. I don't know what kind of credibility the source has, so take it for what's it's worth. It does jive with what Mili's source is saying.

MM had a meniscus tear and a grade 2 MCL, so I would assume from my years in ortho that his recovery time is in the 4-6 week range. Generally with that type of injury, you're able to start running after 7-10 days, but even though he can run, it's VERY doubtful that he could make cuts or play anything more than a few snaps at this point.

So, if he had surgery on the 10th, he would have probably started running this past weekend and a likely timeframe for his return would be between the 7th to 18th of November although it generally takes 8-12 weeks to get up back to 100%. Despite what MM and Michigan will say in the upcoming weeks, Mario will at best probably be no better than 85-90% for "The Game".

Well, I'm much older and got over 30,000 kms on my knees, but I had almost the same injury. It's the cuts that will get him. I still have trouble with lateral rotation of my knee joint. One good Jack Tatum pop and he'll be out even if he does play.

[Oh8ch]

Well, I'm much older and got over 30,000 kms on my knees, but I had almost the same injury. It's the cuts that will get him. I still have trouble with lateral rotation of my knee joint. One good Jack Tatum pop and he'll be out even if he does play.

These are tough calls for coaches - or should be. If the physical strength of his knee is anything less than 100% how do you put him out there? There are millions at stake for this kid.

Of course, if he avoids Hartline he should be OK.

[CleveBucks]

Originally Posted by Steve19

Well, I'm much older and got over 30,000 kms on my knees, but I had almost the same injury. It's the cuts that will get him. I still have trouble with lateral rotation of my knee joint. One good Jack Tatum pop and he'll be out even if he does play.

Especially on our crappy turf. It might be a positive in this regard.

[Brutus1]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

Uh, MoC is no longer in Youngstown, Einstein...

Uh, I think we all know that.

C'mon Fitch. Was the original question of MoC as your source, not detected
as sarcasm?

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by Brutus1

Uh, I think we all know that.

C'mon Fitch. Was the original question of MoC as your source, not detected
as sarcasm?

Guess I wasn't paying attention too much at work today...

[Saw31]

Originally Posted by BuckBackHome

Lucasville and Youngstown often get confused.

[booo hisss]



<puts on bullet proof vest to go to the store>



Ok, you might actually have a point there...

[BuckeyeNation27]

you guys are saying he will have problems making cuts and things like that. if he sits out the rest of the year, will that be fixed next year? I really would hate to see his entire career end because of this.

[fourteenandoh]

he'll be there 100%. whether his knee is good or not. he'll never play in a game like this again. i don't want to see him ruin his future career over "the game" but you better believe if he can find one doctor to give him the clear he'll be there.

[Steve19]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

you guys are saying he will have problems making cuts and things like that. if he sits out the rest of the year, will that be fixed next year? I really would hate to see his entire career end because of this.

I don't think it sounds that bad. If he has a meniscus tear, then they will have entered the knee and cut the tear out. Cartillage doesn't grow back, as I understand it, but I put 1500kms a year on after my arthroscopic procedure in 2000 with no problems until I ripped everything slipping on a wet floor.

A second-grade MCL tear refers to the ligament on the inside of the knee (the medial side). MCL and meniscus damage often go hand in hand. In my current case, I did not tear the meniscus but just the MCL. A second-degree tear means that the ligament did not rip away from bone entirely. But that he has a substantial tear. These things heal differently across people. At my age, it has been difficult to get over. At his age, the MCL should heal quickly. He will probably be working out in the gym and be undergoing as much low impact, not twisting exercise as possible.

However, I think that it would be very surprising if he was 100%, especially when changing direction during cuts, by the time of The Game, provided that this really is an adequate description of his situation. This is not about wanting to be there for the big game, this injury just makes it so you can't do twisting motion.

There is another issue. Rah, rah my team can become secondary when you are worried about a possible permanent injury that would cost you millions. This injury could also put some fear into him about being hit, due to the pro career prospects you mention. Like I said earlier, one good hit and this guy is probably gonna show some fear.

Either way, I think that by the time of The Game, it won't matter .

[ginn421]

Young guy speaking here, but in some cases, a second-grade ligament tear is worse than a full tear (third-grade). In my 4 years taking sports medicine classes, it's been said that often partial tears will be induced so they tear fully, because full tears acutally heal faster and are more stable than partial tears.

Now, I don't know the specifics of MM's injury or rehab, but that seems to be common practice...

[Oh8ch]

Great info all.

What I am trying to understand is what we mean by "100%".

Seems to me there is the issue of the injury itself, but also an issue of any collateral damage as a result of the injury and any invasive procedures.

So are we saying that the integrity of the knee has been temporarily compromised and will be better in three months than it will be in three weeks because the rest of the knee will be stronger and better able to protect the damaged area?

Or are we saying that 'it is what it is' and and we are at 100% of as good as it will ever get?

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

When I hear the words lig. tear (even Partial) and playing again in six weeks, I think it's amazing how far medicine has come. That said, no matter how well the surgery went, I just can't believe MM will be ready to do anything other than run in a straight line come 11/18. I remember the Vikings when they had Moss, who was nursing a knee, did just that... He'd come in, stretch the D, and they'd throw underneath... then he'd go sit til the next time they needed a decoy.

[tsteele316]

in addition to what steve said regarding coming back from a MCL injury, another problem with that (from experience) is initial explosion as well. that tends to come back quicker than the lateral movement aspects, but it is still an issue.

[osugrad21]

Link

Mario mania: Just three weeks after arthroscopic knee surgery, sophomore wide receiver Mario Manningham might play against Ball State on Saturday. Coach Lloyd Carr wasn't making any promises at his Monday news conference, but the possibility exists after Manningham ran well last week and will return to practice this week.

"I don't know when it will be but I have every confidence that unless there's a setback, he's going to play very shortly," Carr said. "We'll have to see how he does tomorrow or Wednesday. He can run, I can tell you that. ... The next thing is how does he come out of a break and how (the knee) holds up, but we're very much encouraged and excited because he brings a great spirit and attitude. He has fun playing the game."

With an offense averaging only 18 points the past three games without his deep-threat ability, Manningham's return might provide a boost.

Among other injuries, Carr said he expects tackle Rueben Riley to play but was not as confident about tight ends Tyler Ecker and Mike Massey.

[NFBuck]

Originally Posted by osugrad21

He can run, I can tell you that. ... The next thing is how does he come out of a break and how (the knee) holds up...

And that's the real test. I'm suprised to see them letting him get back to action so soon after a (relatively) serious knee injury. I hope he does okay, and more importantly hope he doesn't do some perminent damage by trying to return to action too soon.