Notre Dame (football only discussion)

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Originally Posted by lvbuckeye

what, The Directors didn't clue you in?

How 'bout 'The Producers'? A movie based on a broadway musical based on a movie.

[Jaxbuck]

Originally Posted by lvbuckeye

they're currently filming the next installment of Indiana Jones.

Harrison Ford gets any older and its going to be Indiana Jones and the search for where he left his goddamn remote. I can see the whip and pistol attached to his walker now.

[DaddyBigBucks]

As I'm the one who got us off on this tangent on the "Football Only" thread; I guess it's my responsibility to get the discussion back to Notre Dame football...

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuvB7j9n-II[/YOUTUBE]

[Jaxbuck]

Domer fans remind me more of the black knight

[YOUTUBE]http://youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno[/YOUTUBE]

[Oh8ch]

As I'm the one who got us off on this tangent on the "Football Only" thread; I guess it's my responsibility to get the discussion back to Notre Dame football...

Thanks for the reminder that we play this week. I better get started on my Kent St Observations thread.

[Deety]

What confuses me is that ND seems to be equally at a disadvantage due the the presence of Ty's recruits and the loss of Ty's recruits. I guess they just can't win.

[Best Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Deety

What confuses me is that ND seems to be equally at a disadvantage due the the presence of Ty's recruits and the loss of Ty's recruits. I guess they just can't win.

Nice double Entendre there Deety.

[NFBuck]

So, Skip Bayless was hosting the "hot seat" bs segment they do on sportscenter with some dude I can't remember. It was, of course, about N_tre _ame and whether Jabba should be on the hotseat. The guest argued yes, because in year three, his team has regressed horribly and he's yet to win a "big game". Bayless argued in his usual animated jackass way that he did great the first two years and it's, of course, Willingham's fault he's in his current bind because of his poor recruiting. The guest said, "Well, who did Weis win with his first two years on the job? Ty's recruits" "He's had time to bring in many of his own players and the team is now a joke" (paraphrasing). Bayless: SILENCE.

I love watching that assbag get owned like that.

[OSU_Buckguy]

what the clueless idiots fail to realize is that if they're going to assume that weis and ntre ame's problems are largely due to the players that willingham brought in, it only stands to reason that ntre ame's production should be getting better the farther the program gets from willingham's firing. in fact, it's just the opposite. under weis, ntre ame's two best seasons have been with willingham's players almost completely filling the rosters. the farther we get from willingham's firing, the more it is about chuck's players and his coaching.

this whole "it's the fault of willingham and his players" position is just so freakin' counterintuitive.

[Taosman]

Why don't we just enjoy their suffering!

[OSU_Buckguy]

Originally Posted by Taosman

Why don't we just enjoy their suffering!

have we not?

[DaddyBigBucks]

Originally Posted by Taosman

Why don't we just enjoy their suffering!

Originally Posted by OSU_Buckguy

have we not?

3 threads on the front page, not counting the two vBets?

Yeah, we're enjoying it.

[Oh8ch]

this whole "it's the fault of willingham and his players" position is just so freakin' counterintuitive.

The argument goes (and there is a grain of merit) that Ty really didn't let recruiting go until the last two years and that it is these two classes - CWs upper classmen - who are weighing the team down.

Imagine if you would that Jim Tressel lost virtually an entire class. Let's say the class of 2003. Could he even field a football team four years later in 2006, let alone make a run at the Big Ten title or the NC?

I actually can buy into the argument that CW was hurt by those two classes. The issue Domer's are missing is that ND's struggles don't simply reflect a lack of talent. They reflect a lack of fundamentals, a lack of execution and no evidence that players that have been developing over any period of time.

[Oh8ch]

Why don't we just enjoy their suffering!

have we not?

One of you farker's (it's a verb, not a euphemism) needs to come up with CWs head on Russell Crowe's body in the arena asking the gallery "Are you not entertained?"

(I just noticed - I only had 14 posts on this site till somebody opened these ND threads.)

[OCBucksFan]

Originally Posted by Oh8ch

I actually can buy into the argument that CW was hurt by those two classes. The issue Domer's are missing is that ND's struggles don't simply reflect a lack of talent. They reflect a lack of fundamentals, a lack of execution and no evidence that players that have been developing over any period of time.

That sums it up pretty well, it's like this class has been ignored and no one has really worked with them. This sounds mean, but they look like a bad comedy movie out there, what's next? One takes the ball and runs the wrong way? You see lots of teams with lack of talent, however, they still perform on the field, they can still manage to get first downs and the occasional touch down, but this team doesn't seem to know what to do, top that off with lack of motivation and they look beat up. Now you have basically the worst possible situation that you could have, and Weis isn't helping. He's willing to take all the credit when they win, but when they lose he needs to make people compete for their positions as if it's a problem with the players, not a problem with the staff.