Notre Dame (football only discussion)

[ulukinatme]

Well, I just went off the official websites of the NFL teams and their depth charts, I was bored at work and kinda curious =P Its either 13-17 or 13-18, so if its more than 5 that may be counting guys on Special Teams that aren't kickers/long snappers. Here was what I came up with as starters off the team websites:
ND:
Anthony Weaver
Mike Gandy
Bert Berry
Deke Cooper
Julius Jones
Hunter Smith
Jeff Faine
Sean Mahan
Allen Rossum
Bryant Young
Arnaz Battle
Luke Petigout
Craig Hentrich

OSU:
Joey Galloway
Donte Whitner
Ashton Youboty
Chris Gamble
AJ Hawk
Ryan Pickett
Ted Ginn
Antoine Winfield
Mike Vrabel
Will Smith
Mike Nugent
Santonio Holmes
Shane Olivia
Matt Willheim
Nate Clemens
Rob Sims
Shaun Springs

So, looks like it was 13-17. I'm not contesting OSU doesn't have a lot of talent in the NFL, the number of OSU alumni playing is huge and OSU has definitly had a good decade while ND hasn't. I just thought it was interesting, I figured the numbers would be different.

[t_BuckeyeScott]

Add
Will Allen Tampa Bay
Adrian Clarke Jets
Nick Mangold Jets
Terry Glenn Cowboys
Na'il Diggs Panthers

Plus Orlando Pace who got hurt in the first game and was the unquestioned starter.
LeCharles Bentley would be starting too.

[sandgk]

Originally Posted by ulukinatme

So, looks like it was 13-17. ... I figured the numbers would be different.

Originally Posted by t_BuckeyeScott

Add
Will Allen Tampa Bay
Adrian Clarke Jets
Nick Mangold Jets
Terry Glenn Cowboys
Na'il Diggs Panthers

Plus Orlando Pace who got hurt in the first game and was the unquestioned starter.
LeCharles Bentley would be starting too.

Looks like the numbers are different. Though, candidly it is something of a surprise that ND has 13 bonafide 1st string given the way their draft day status has been talked down for the years prior to last.

[Dryden]

+ Michael Jenkins
+ Alex Stepanovich

[t_BuckeyeScott]

Jenkins is listed behind Roddy White right now. Stepanovich is currently only starting because of an injury otherwise by NFL.com he's 2nd string. If we go by who's starting now we could have Shlegal.

[ulukinatme]

Will Allen Tampa Bay
Adrian Clarke Jets
Nick Mangold Jets
Terry Glenn Cowboys
Na'il Diggs Panthers

Plus Orlando Pace who got hurt in the first game and was the unquestioned starter.
LeCharles Bentley would be starting too.

You're right, I missed the Jets, but Allen, Glenn, and Diggs all appear to be 2nd String. I shouldn't have forgotten about Pace, but for some reason Scout's website doesn't have him listed on any NFL Teams which was the list I used, they need to correct that =P I'm curious, does EPSN update the Depth Charts of each team weekly, and do the team's official sites do the same? Thats a mess right there.

[t_BuckeyeScott]

The links were from NFL.com and they're depth charts which seem to be more up to date than ESPN's as I checked both. The links go directly to the NFL teams depth chart.

Glenn has been starting for years, he's just hurt right now, that may be why scout doesn't list him as starter.
But the NFL. com charts list him on top where he should be. Diggs and Allen have recently replaced starters it seems.

[ulukinatme]

I was usin' Jax's link on the first page, hadn't checked your's there. Guess I'll have to look through them again Its not a big deal though, just was something interesting I saw this morning. If I have time this afternoon I'll compare NFL.com and ESPN's charts to the team sites. Its possible the team's sites don't update after the start of the season.

[scooter1369]

Originally Posted by ulukinatme

You're right, I missed the Jets, but Allen, Glenn, and Diggs all appear to be 2nd String. I shouldn't have forgotten about Pace, but for some reason Scout's website doesn't have him listed on any NFL Teams which was the list I used, they need to correct that =P I'm curious, does EPSN update the Depth Charts of each team weekly, and do the team's official sites do the same? Thats a mess right there.

Glenn has been injured. He would be starting if he wasn't hurt

[cincibuck]

Several things stick out in my mind: I can't remember anyone ever saying ND had a bad recruiting year in the last three decades. They've gotten the kids they've wanted for quite some time, the ostrich/pickle man being the best current example. The quality of their recruiting is reflected in the number of players they've advanced to the pros. Weiss inherited quite a bit of talent and Weiss has brought in three years worth of his own hand-picked talent.

What Mr. Offensive Genius hasn't been able to do is win the big games with the talent he has on board. He's an arrogant blow hard with a track record for shooting off his mouth and not having his teams ready for the next game. While MOG was using all his #1s all the time, Tressel was driving for an important touchdown against Texas with his #2 offensive line and stopping the likes of Michigan and ND with multiple defensive DLs.

Now all of MOG's talent is gone and last year's #2s aren't ready for prime time. How convenient that they will be ready when the Stanfords, Dukes and Military Academies roll into town. I can just hear MOG now, "If we could go back and play the first half of the season now, we'd show 'em what a tactical scheme advantage looks like."

In the mean time, the practice of driving off the kids you no longer want so you can bring in more recruits is undoubtedly in place. It has been around for quite some time and is certainly not limited to ND by any stretch, but I would imagine the incentive to do so is certainly greater at a school where the tuition base is in the 30K range than at an 11K public school.

[sandgk]

Oh for heaven's sake - shouldn't the Irish fans watch ND WIN some games before crowning their presumptive Heisman winners. (Or, how Clausen was dethroned when Sharpley threw to Tate).

Seriously, there is a poll question up at the Notre Dame Observer which asks --

"How many Heisman Trophies will Golden Tate win?"

The choices do not include the number zero! 63% of them say 1 - 26% of them say 4.

And say that it is the subway alumni who are the arrogant fanbase.

[muffler dragon]

Originally Posted by sandgk

Oh for heaven's sake - shouldn't the Irish fans watch ND WIN some games before crowning their presumptive Heisman winners. (Or, how Clausen was dethroned when Sharpley threw to Tate).

Seriously, there is a poll question up at the Notre Dame Observer which asks --

"How many Heisman Trophies will Golden Tate win?"

The choices do not include the number zero! 63% of them say 1 - 26% of them say 4.

And say that it is the subway alumni who are the arrogant fanbase.

LOL!!! What a joke. Methinks there won't be a Heisman trophy winner under the Weis regime.

[LordJeffBuck]

Originally Posted by muffler dragon

LOL!!! What a joke. Methinks there won't be a Heisman trophy winner under the Weis regime.

Notre Dame hasn't won a Heisman since 1987 (Tim Brown) - no reason to believe that that string will be broken any time soon.

BTW, Tate's numbers on the year: 3 receptions for 104 yards and 1 TD; 1 rush for 4 yards; 11 kick-off returns for 263 yards.... * yawn *

[OCBucksFan]

Originally Posted by sandgk

Oh for heaven's sake - shouldn't the Irish fans watch ND WIN some games before crowning their presumptive Heisman winners. (Or, how Clausen was dethroned when Sharpley threw to Tate).

Seriously, there is a poll question up at the Notre Dame Observer which asks --

"How many Heisman Trophies will Golden Tate win?"

The choices do not include the number zero! 63% of them say 1 - 26% of them say 4.

And say that it is the subway alumni who are the arrogant fanbase.

Their football poll was the best.



5% of em were right

[Bucky Katt]

15 touches + 371 all-purpose yards + 1 touchdown = 4 Heismans!