Notre Dame (football only discussion)

[Sportsbuck28]

Originally Posted by BengalsAndBucks

And yet you don't exactly see USC settling for 5-7 win seasons.

[generaladm]

Originally Posted by generaladm

To me, Weiss is like the bizzaro version of Tressel. He puts his teams in a position to lose every game, early in the game. How many times has this jackass gone for it on 4th and not short in the 1st half? I wouldn't dream of doing that with Tom Brady at QB and a pro defense. Offensive genius? I never liked watching the Patriots when he was there (except for Vrabel), but all I can remember is a mind numbing succession of 7yd hitch passes. Nothing particularly impressive as far as play calling. I think the '05 team will probably be the best he'll see at ND. The Irish are gonna be looking alot like IU in the forseeable future. Weiss seems to skate free by just arrogantly denying that anything's wrong. I don't really care, we'll probably never play them again. It's not like they'll make a bowl game any time soon.

Originally Posted by Steve19

A reminder that we have a Notre Dame thread for posts not related to football and a Charlie Weis thread where this kind of post can be made.

Let's stick to football in this thread.

Weren't all my comments about football? If I'm wrong, please explain.

[LightningRod]

College football offseason winners and losers

Winner: Notre Dame
Any coach anywhere will tell you it all begins on the lines of scrimmage. This isn't rocket science: Give up 58 sacks, get little or nothing from your offense.
So this offseason, Notre Dame's young, beleaguered offensive line grew up. And out. After playing last season with one 300-pounder on the line -- and getting pushed around -- the Irish will play this fall with all five starters weighing in at 300-plus.
The training staff had this high-tech way of examining caloric and fat intake, body weight percentages and a bunch of other variables that added up to this: It's good weight gain. Whatever that means (you can't make this stuff up).
Make no mistake, if ND can protect, the offense will flourish. The Irish have talent at the skill positions and QB Jimmy Clausen is much better than the freshman who couldn't set his feet, square his shoulders and throw -- and read the defense -- without getting pummeled.

[Taosman]

Tenuta wil give them a respectable defense which will pay dividends for the whole program. They go Bowling this year. Just watch.

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by Taosman

Tenuta wil give them a respectable defense which will pay dividends for the whole program. They go Bowling this year. Just watch.

Well, as the only D1A school that has to be promised a bowl or they take their ball and go home; I suppose that's a fair guess. This is the only program I know that can have a losing season and get some mention for a bowl game.

Go Blue, Go Spartans, Go Boilers--anything but 'go irish.'

[methomps]

Irish CB Walls out for fall semester; Hord to transfer

[NJ-Buckeye]

Originally Posted by SI

"Fortunately, cornerback is a position of strength on our team ..." Weis said.

oh my..

Do we have a pot smoking emoticon?

[BB73]

Ntre Dme season preview from CFN.

CFN.overview

CFN.No.Offense

CFN.No.Defense

CFN.No.Depth

[BB73]

Originally Posted by NJ-Buckeye

oh my..

Do we have a pot smoking emoticon?

It's called pimp.

[Taosman]

Originally Posted by NJ-Buckeye

oh my..

Do we have a pot smoking emoticon?

[BuckeyeBill]

Originally Posted by BB73

Ntre Dme season preview from CFN.

CFN.overview

CFN.No.Offense

CFN.No.Defense

CFN.No.Depth

Ooops, my bad. I thought the link titles were the previews.
(sometimes I just crack me up!)

[Muck]

Interesting post Tony Gerdman made over on the O-Zone

Originally Posted by Gerd

So I'm going through the last three years of my Phil Steele magazines looking at his recruiting rankings. Basically, he culls his rankings from six or eight other agencies, like Rivals, Scout, Lemming, Superprep, etc. Anyway, I started noticing that Notre Dame's classes had very few guys who weren't in Steele's top 50 at their respective position. This tells me that either ND recruits are overrated (!!!), or they're not good enough talent scouts to find guys who fall under the radar (!!!) and they rely on outside forces to tell them who's good.

Some for instances...

2008 class (number of players not in top 50 at their position)
Notre Dame - 1 (David Posluszny #82...and he's a name, so it's not like you'd have to dig to find this guy)
Florida - 6
Georgia - 10
Auburn - 25 (out of a class of like 29)
LSU - 14
Bama - 14
Ohio State - 5
Michigan - 9
Oklahoma - 7
Texas - 5
FSU - 17
VT - 27
Miami - 14
USC - 6

2007 class
Notre Dame - 2
Florida - 5
Georgia - 9
Auburn - 17
LSU - 3
Bama - 12
Ohio State - 4
Michigan - 9
Oklahoma - 10
Texas - 5
Florida State - 12
VT - 21
Miami - 8
USC - 4

2006 class
Notre Dame - 2 (in a class of 28...I believe six of them have already left, btw)
Florida - 12
Georgia - 11
Auburn - 10
LSU - 10
Bama - 13
Ohio State - 7
Michigan - 6
Oklahoma - 11
Texas - 3
Florida State - 13
VT - 20
Miami - 10
USC - 8

ND has a total of five players out of the top 50 at their position over the last three classes. All schools mentioned here (I think I got the 14 best examples), had at least two classes with 5 or more non-top 50 kids.

This makes me think Charlie Weis may want to subscribe to another site, or get some better talent scouts on the payroll.

I put it here because we don't really have a generic "recruiting" thread that covers anything and everything...and because due to the nature of the forum over there it'll be lost to posterity by tomorrow morning and I thought it worth keeping (I also made some minor edits for readability).

[Oh8ch]

Disregard - I misread.

[OregonBuckeye]

Originally Posted by Oh8ch

Does he mean "very few guys who were in Steele's top 50"?

So I'm going through the last three years of my Phil Steele magazines looking at his recruiting rankings. Basically, he culls his rankings from six or eight other agencies, like Rivals, Scout, Lemming, Superprep, etc. Anyway, I started noticing that Notre Dame's classes had very few guys who weren't in Steele's top 50 at their respective position. This tells me that either ND recruits are overrated (!!!), or they're not good enough talent scouts to find guys who fall under the radar (!!!) and they rely on outside forces to tell them who's good.

Some for instances...

2008 class (number of players not in top 50 at their position)
Notre Dame - 1 (David Posluszny #82...and he's a name, so it's not like you'd have to dig to find this guy)
Florida - 6
Georgia - 10
Auburn - 25 (out of a class of like 29)
LSU - 14
Bama - 14
Ohio State - 5
Michigan - 9
Oklahoma - 7
Texas - 5
FSU - 17
VT - 27
Miami - 14
USC - 6

2007 class
Notre Dame - 2
Florida - 5
Georgia - 9
Auburn - 17
LSU - 3
Bama - 12
Ohio State - 4
Michigan - 9
Oklahoma - 10
Texas - 5
Florida State - 12
VT - 21
Miami - 8
USC - 4

2006 class
Notre Dame - 2 (in a class of 28...I believe six of them have already left, btw)
Florida - 12
Georgia - 11
Auburn - 10
LSU - 10
Bama - 13
Ohio State - 7
Michigan - 6
Oklahoma - 11
Texas - 3
Florida State - 13
VT - 20
Miami - 10
USC - 8

ND has a total of five players out of the top 50 at their position over the last three classes. All schools mentioned here (I think I got the 14 best examples), had at least two classes with 5 or more non-top 50 kids.

This makes me think Charlie Weis may want to subscribe to another site, or get some better talent scouts on the payroll.

Considering he said so on 4 different occasions, I'm guessing not.

Disregard- Oh8ch misread.

[Taosman]

It looks like the Domer coaches have under performed in developing kids. Tenuta should be a big help on defense. But, what about the offensive side? There is talent there no doubt.