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a) without beating anyone, ND received ridiculous hype last year (which translated to recruiting).
In JT I trust
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b) College Gameday & Sportscenter will be unbearable for months if ND beats both Michigan teams. Disney only knows how to beat something to death... and it will be far worse than SportSCenter last year.
Don't watch em, so I don't care.
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c) This may be the last chance to keep them from the title game... unlike everyone else, losing a game (to SC) does not always hurt their ranking.
Like I alluded to, as long as OSU is there, I say bring the domers on.
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d) Michigan will be put in their place by Tressel just like every year. We have no shot at ND... and what if OSU happens to stumble along the way?
Can't say I wouldn't appreciate the breathing room, but considering the other points you make, do you honestly believe the hype-laden media would put a 1 loss OSU ahead of a 1 loss ND (assuming, also, that ND's loss comes this week and OSU's later in the year) Don't fool yourself.
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e) Even if OSU drills ND, they will still apologize for ND... and say that weis still doesn't have the horses he will have (especially on D, even if they are improved).
Can't bring myself to give a rats ass for who apologizes for ND. I combat idiotic analysis by not watching it. See "b" above.
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In JT I trust
if ND is in the title game... we WILL lose Ohio kids to ND. The sky won't be falling, and JT will continue to excel... but I'd rather he continue to have the lion's share. Michigan's recent decline has cost them many ohio recruits (Wells, Saine). I guess I am hoping UM can deflate the ND hype before the half-season of cupcakes begins... and Weis begins to replace Carr as a poacher of Ohio kids.
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Don't watch em, so I don't care.
do you care much about sports outside of OSU? I do, and haven't found a useful alternative to Sportscenter for catching the day's highlights... as much as I despise some of that programming.
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Can't say I wouldn't appreciate the breathing room, but considering the other points you make, do you honestly believe the hype-laden media would put a 1 loss OSU ahead of a 1 loss ND (assuming, also, that ND's loss comes this week and OSU's later in the year) Don't fool yourself.
how does this strengthen your argument? I agree ND will get the benefit of the doubt... which is precisely why ND losses are so crucial.
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Obviously, there are lot of reasons to root against Michigan. With respect to this season, another early season defeat will become a catalyst for another mediocre U of M season, and before we worry about dominating anyone else, we must dominate our own conference. Also, I would like to see OSU match against ND in the championship game again, because I believe that we have a better shot of beating ND than anyone other contenders at this point. USC is physical. Auburn is physical. LSU is physical. ND is not physical. And if we manage to beat ND in back to back years, that is something you can hang your hat on when you walk into a living room of a recruit.
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if ND is in the title game... we WILL lose Ohio kids to ND. The sky won't be falling, and JT will continue to excel... but I'd rather he continue to have the lion's share. Michigan's recent decline has cost them many ohio recruits (Wells, Saine). I guess I am hoping UM can deflate the ND hype before the half-season of cupcakes begins... and Weis begins to replace Carr as a poacher of Ohio kids.
Not worried about it. Ohio State has managed to recruit great kids to Ohio State when ND was a National Player before, and they'll do it the next time ND is a legit year in and year out contender. Like it or not, that time is quickly approaching (if not already here). Once again, in Tressel I trust. Will Chuckie grab the occasional Ohio stud? Probably. Such is the world of college football, and it's nothing new. Keeping ND out of the National Championship game this year is hardly going to make a difference in the long term. I'd just as soon they go to the Championship game and get throttled by OSU again.
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do you care much about sports outside of OSU? I do, and haven't found a useful alternative to Sportscenter for catching the day's highlights... as much as I despise some of that programming.
Yeah. I do. So, I read the paper and various web pages, not the least of which is this one, listen to 1460 and such. That's not to say I never watch Sportscenter, cause I do (I didn't see you mentioned SC in your original post), just not religiously. I just don't much listen to the commentary, I get my scores and highlights and pretty much block out the rest. Not interested in the talking heads. Don't watch the budweiser hotseat... Don't really care what they have to say. I want to know if Arod hit a HR... who won a race.. who scored how many points etc.. I don't give a rats ass about opinion.
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how does this strengthen your argument? I agree ND will get the benefit of the doubt... which is precisely why ND losses are so crucial.
I was specifically responding to your contention that we need ND to lose in case we lose. Nothing more, nothing less. It seems to me your assumption is ND won't lose at all this year unless it's next week, or maybe to USC. I've been watching college ball for a long time now, Josh, and if there is one thing I've learned (painfully at times) is that the annointed Champion in September is often NOT standing in Janurary.
I guess what I'm saying is, the ND hype, far as I know, is exactly as you describe... I'm not oblivious to it, of course. I just don't see how losing to Michigan is going to make one bit of difference. This isnt do or die, and besides, Michigan State has done a better job with ND recently. MSU's MO is to have 1 KO every year. Maybe they get it done against ND. Whatever the case, I hate ND for a lot of reasons, and I like watching them stink, and I don't buy the hype, and think it's foolish that others do as well. But, I'm not going to get all worked up about it. If they beat Michigan, Ohio State will be just fine. Both this year, and in the future.
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