Notre Dame SOS, history, Charlie's weight, opinions (not football)

[ulukinatme]

Yeah, chief, Mililani wasn't the one referring to them. I think your statement should be addressed to Bucklion. It was only last night at 11:30, but its already 2 pages back

[NOTREDAMECHIEF]

Originally Posted by osugrad21

Yet, UNC gives up 100+ more yards/game than Illinois...and I didn't see CW calling off the dogs in the early 3rd quarter.

Perhaps he was trying to draw attention from his team's underperformance this year?

Touche'

No touche' there at all! I thought ND woud lose 2 regular season games this year. Next year maybe 4 and then a NC contender for a year or 2.

[osugrad21]

Originally Posted by NOTREDAMECHIEF

No touche' there at all! I thought ND woud lose 2 regular season games this year. Next year maybe 4 and then a NC contender for a year or 2.

Wasn't directed at you there cap'n...was more for those who'd already designated a dynasty.

[Bucklion]

Originally Posted by ulukinatme

Yeah, chief, Mililani wasn't the one referring to them. I think your statement should be addressed to Bucklion. It was only last night at 11:30, but its already 2 pages back

Uh, actually I brought them up because they play in the same conferences that your supposed powerhouse schedule from last year played, but keep trying.

[ulukinatme]

Ahhhh...ok? So they play in the same conference as another team we played, but why would that make them worth mentioning? Most years I would consider Nebraska, Oklahoma, Florida State, or Tennessee tougher opponents than a team like UCLA and definitly Washington. So by listing those teams in a PAC-10 setting, aren't you supporting my argument that a conference schedule could lead to an easier path for a bowl game?

I'll concede that UCLA may have a good year hear and there, but people don't often look forward to a game with the Bruins (Not last time I checked anyway). The idea was to boast teams we've played in previous years with storied histories and get national recognition a decent amount of the time. My point was, aside from the 1-3 military acadamies we play each year (Depending on the way the schedule falls), we normally don't have too many cupcakes outside of that. North Carolina may be the only real cupcake outside the military academies this year, unfortunately we have all 3 this year though.

[CleveBucks]

Originally Posted by ulukinatme

My point was, aside from the 1-3 military acadamies we play each year (Depending on the way the schedule falls), we normally don't have too many cupcakes outside of that. North Carolina may be the only real cupcake outside the military academies this year, unfortunately we have all 3 this year though.

Uhh, how about WINLESS Stanford? Cupcake city.

[SanAntonioBuck]

ND had better be practicing real hard for the triple option this week. Go Air Force Falcons!

[Bucklion]

Originally Posted by ulukinatme

Ahhhh...ok? So they play in the same conference as another team we played, but why would that make them worth mentioning? Most years I would consider Nebraska, Oklahoma, Florida State, or Tennessee tougher opponents than a team like UCLA and definitly Washington. So by listing those teams in a PAC-10 setting, aren't you supporting my argument that a conference schedule could lead to an easier path for a bowl game?

I'll concede that UCLA may have a good year hear and there, but people don't often look forward to a game with the Bruins (Not last time I checked anyway). The idea was to boast teams we've played in previous years with storied histories and get national recognition a decent amount of the time. My point was, aside from the 1-3 military acadamies we play each year (Depending on the way the schedule falls), we normally don't have too many cupcakes outside of that. North Carolina may be the only real cupcake outside the military academies this year, unfortunately we have all 3 this year though.

Ah yes, "most years"...but not last year, that's for sure. The name of the team means absolutely nothing...Tennessee sucked last year. Sorry. If you had beaten Tennessee in 2000, it would have mattered. Last year it meant nothing. Are you honestly going to say that beating Michigan last year and beating Michigan this year is the same thing "just because they're Michigan"? Uh, no. You may think your schedule looks more impressive because you play teams that have been good before that casual fans might recognize, but it isn't. It is only impressive if you play (and beat) good teams THAT YEAR...and last year you didn't.

[Steve19]

Originally Posted by ulukinatme

Ahhhh...ok? So they play in the same conference as another team we played, but why would that make them worth mentioning? Most years I would consider Nebraska, Oklahoma, Florida State, or Tennessee tougher opponents than a team like UCLA and definitly Washington. So by listing those teams in a PAC-10 setting, aren't you supporting my argument that a conference schedule could lead to an easier path for a bowl game?

I'll concede that UCLA may have a good year hear and there, but people don't often look forward to a game with the Bruins (Not last time I checked anyway). The idea was to boast teams we've played in previous years with storied histories and get national recognition a decent amount of the time. My point was, aside from the 1-3 military acadamies we play each year (Depending on the way the schedule falls), we normally don't have too many cupcakes outside of that. North Carolina may be the only real cupcake outside the military academies this year, unfortunately we have all 3 this year though.

And now for the reading impaired. It's not like you have winning records against these "leading brands", you win when they finish at the bottom of their conferences for the most part. Stop yelling brand names when they kick your arses except when they are at their worst. In those years, the brands your are disrespecting finish in the main better than Notre Dame and the teams you are shouting about beating.

What is it about the facts I posted earlier that you guys don't understand?

[ulukinatme]

Look at the pot calling the kettle black....
This all started because I said Notre Dame could have an easier time getting to a bowl game by joining some conferences rather than playing their own schedule. Playing a PAC-10 schedule where the biggest threats are USC, Oregon, and occasionally one other team would be a blessing compared to some of the schedules we have each year.
I never said that ND wins all their tough games, but they still schedule the tough ones regardless. I would rather take a chance and play a close, exciting game against a tough team than say...steamroll some cupcakes all season. As far as Tennessee goes, there was no way of telling years ago that they would have sucked last year, but Tennessee is usually a good team, so it was a good choice for most years. Tennessee most years would be a much tougher opponent than UCLA, which is the toughest opponent it seems OSU has scheduled outside the Big10 aside from Texas.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I was unaware Ohio State fans ran around to every board they could find touting their schedule. Likewise, I was unaware that they did so so often they earned a reputation of the same.

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by ulukinatme

Tennessee most years would be a much tougher opponent than UCLA, which is the toughest opponent it seems OSU has scheduled outside the Big10 aside from Texas.

Washington, Washington State and Miami (FL) might have something to say about that.....

[jwinslow]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeMike80

Washington, Washington State and Miami (FL) might have something to say about that.....

WSU has been cancelled. USC, California, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma are also on that list.

[Bucklion]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

WSU has been cancelled. USC, California, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma are also on that list.

I think he meant teams we played before.

[Bucklion]

Originally Posted by ulukinatme

Look at the pot calling the kettle black....
This all started because I said Notre Dame could have an easier time getting to a bowl game by joining some conferences rather than playing their own schedule. Playing a PAC-10 schedule where the biggest threats are USC, Oregon, and occasionally one other team would be a blessing compared to some of the schedules we have each year.
I never said that ND wins all their tough games, but they still schedule the tough ones regardless. I would rather take a chance and play a close, exciting game against a tough team than say...steamroll some cupcakes all season. As far as Tennessee goes, there was no way of telling years ago that they would have sucked last year, but Tennessee is usually a good team, so it was a good choice for most years. Tennessee most years would be a much tougher opponent than UCLA, which is the toughest opponent it seems OSU has scheduled outside the Big10 aside from Texas.

What pot? What kettle? WTF?

The point here is simple: ND fans tout their schedule as being tough. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, but the names on the schedule are not the determining factor. Yes, Tennessee is good most years, but they weren't last year. Is that your "fault"? Of course not. LIKEWISE: do you get credit for playing a tough game if all you can point to is a "storied" program? Absolutely NOT. Washington State went to the Rose Bowl in 2002 when we played them. Tennessee was 5-6 last year. The Washington State team we beat then was better than the Tennessee team you beat last year, even though they can't point to their "storied" tradition. Hell Minnesota owned college football in the 20's and 30's...should we get credit for playing an elite team everytime we play the Gophers, even if they are 4-7? But, but, but...they have such a storied past! You played Michigan this year and last year...do those victories/losses count the same just because it is Michigan? Uh.....NOT. Look at all the teams beating Florida State now...is that impressive just because they used to be a Top 5 team from 1990-2000? Er...NO. What matters is how good the teams are you play...not how good they were in past years you didn't play them. Get it?

The bottom line is ultra-defensive ND fans can't acknowledge that the schedule you played last year would have been a killer...had it been 1988. But it wasn't. Syracuse, Tennessee, Washington...the rest of the world says "who cares?" Now if UNC was 9-1, Purdue was 9-1, and Air Force was 9-1 this year, you'd all be saying what a tough schedule you played, despite the "tradition" of those schools. You can't have it both ways.