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Originally Posted by king rhabuf
I'm just wary of gravy trains.
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So you should be round South Bend - isn't a daily delivery needed to feed Weis' meat and potatoes?
School buses and anyone transporting hazardous substances have to stop for gravy trains.
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Originally Posted by hobbs
Not really sure how big of a story the in season aspect of the transfers are
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Here is a clue, for free, for real. When you have transfers like this mid-season what happens is that it directly changes the plan for the current recruiting class.
ND's flexibility to respond is hampered by the make-up of the current commits and it will cause them to have to change their priorities on future targets.
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Originally Posted by hobbs
I would hardly call that class a miserable failure since the departed players were:
4th string QB. [Presumably 3* Jones, till Frazer left when he became not 3rd but 1st string - in spring till season's start, not that I am surprised you would succumb to revisionist history]
3rd string QB. [Presumably 4* Frazer - 9th rated QB]
3rd string TE. [5* TE , 2nd in country]
3rd string OG. [4* OT / OG - 10th rated in country]
Those were backups to the backsups and that's the trap that you're going to get caught in when you bring in a big class with several front line guys who play the same position. When those guys lose out in competition they have guys in their class ahead of them and more often than not, top guys coming in behind them.
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First - fixed it for you so folks reading can have a handy reminder of just what has walked away from South Bend - it is a lot. It basically downgrades the class from 4th or 5th in country to near Miami (FL) - call it tied 14th in nation 2006. Where this ends, who knows.
At this rate the plan for ND's recovery will stretch out till the crack of doom.
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Originally Posted by hobbs
A) No I don't know why Jones didn't leave but you, an OSU fan, obviously do. I suspect that it's because of something that the evil arrogant Charlie Weis did. |
You really need to keep up on the ND boards - before the moderators delete the posts, then you would learn so much more.
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Originally Posted by hobbs
By the way would the fact of him staying when he wanted to leave because Weis is such a bad person show that playing time was the key factor in his decision to leave?
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OK, no it doesn't. It does show that he felt betrayed by the false representation made to him.
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Originally Posted by hobbs
B) OSu's situation in comparison to ND is night & day. Off the top of my head I'd guess that 70% of the players on OSU's roster hail from Ohio. In contrast maybe 5%-10% of ND's hail from Indiana or Illinois. |
So what? Doesn't ND always recruit nationally? So what, isn't ND the big fish? Isn't it their problem if they cannot crack the Buckeye State? Isn't it just their bad luck that they happen to reside away from a natural pool of talent. Tough luck, and oh yes, so what?
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Originally Posted by hobbs
It's a lot easier to retain kids who are in-state products. When things go bad for them they can rely on family and their local roots. ND has no such anchor because 90% of their players come from hundreds of miles away.
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Boo-hoo and BS. Look over the players who did transfer out from Ohio State in the past. Many were from Ohio. Lets review the most notable departed from ND this season, starting QB Jones, who hails from, yep, Illinois.
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Originally Posted by hobbs
C) Your summation fails to take something critical into account. Players develop at different rates. Carufel and Olsen were sophomores who were in the same class. At the start of the season Dan Wenger was the starting OG, he got hurt then Carufel stepped in. As weeks went by Olsen kept improving and the coaches felt that he had reached a point where he had passed Carufel.
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Once again that in and of itself doesn't lead to Carufel walking away from campus, disprupting his life for a full year. Something else is going on and I have a notion it is about that shuffling of the O-line by Weis and Latina, not the playing time.
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Originally Posted by hobbs
E) It's a minor point but Sam Young moved from RT to LT. As anyone knows LT is ten time harder than RT. Maybe, just maybe that's why he's struggling.
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Blame Latina - blame the mighty recruiting offensive genius. (Oh, and the RT to LT move is NOT a trivial point it is precisely the problem).
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Originally Posted by hobbs
ND's struggling this year because the OL play has been beyond bad. There are several causes for this but I'm not going to get into it because OSU are closed to anything other than Charlie Weis sucks. I understand, at ND have our own rabid anti-Tressel element who scream about him constantly. it's part of the territory I guess. |
Actually we are not closed to it at all. Latina, Weis, mismanagement, the wrong type of scheme for O-line play all the way through spring to opening day. Talking of closed though, you are certainly closed to the notion that this is anything more than scrubs getting put out to pasture.
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Originally Posted by hobbs
Guys have just been thrown into positions that they weren't ready for but Weis had no alternative since he only had 3 (one 5th yr Sr, and 2 JR's) upperclassmen along the OL in total (that's three classes). More than any other position on the field OL take longer to develop because of the strength, continuity, and experience issues involved in playing as a unit.
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He had an option, but he did not pursue it. Their protocol all the way through till this season was already lost, was to basically have all the O-line guys be ready for each position. The option he did not pursue was to have 3 good guards, three good tackles on the right, same on the left and depth at center. Weis or Latina could have done that, both tried to be too damned sophisticated. Guess they just didn't take into account how kids develop at different rates in different positions.
Must have had the kids heads spinning. Might have made some of them think that maybe the coaches were not all knowing.
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Originally Posted by hobbs
We'll be fine next year after another season of weight work and drills and those guys just working together.
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Given the screw-ups of the past my money is on more instances of player misuse - zebras don't change stripes, leopards don't change spots and Weis and Latina will still screw things up.
10-18-2007, 04:22 PM
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