Notre Dame SOS, history, Charlie's weight, opinions (not football)

[Buckin Crazy]

"I really, really hate Notre Dame

I hate the campus. It's not that pretty. The roads are pavement. The buildings are brick. Last I heard the candles in the grotto were made of wax. The way they talk about it, I expected rivers of chocolate, trees made of cinnamon sticks growing candied apples picked by singing Tahitian dwarves enslaved by a tall guy with good teeth and a tall hat.

I hate the students. All 4,000 of them show up to the game in the same stupid green t-shirt that bears the photos of the Four Horsemen and says "RETURN TO THAT TIME BEFORE I WAS ALIVE WHEN WINNING EIGHT GAMES WAS CAUSE FOR MASS CONSUMPTION OF INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH DRAIN CLEANER" or some crap like that. I hate the fact that the girls yell "Go Irish!" in such an ear-piercing tones it makes me wish my ears were equipped with a high-pitch band reject filter. I hate the fact that 75% of them couldn't name the starting five on the men's basketball team, but they can tell you the helmet size of their true freshman backup gunner on the scout team's punt coverage unit.

I hate their fans. I hate when they say "I'm from Bangladesh, so I like Notre Dame" or "My dog's previous owner was Catholic, so I like Notre Dame". I hate the fact that they haven't won a national championship since before most of them were catheterized, yet they continue to bring it up even after you just waxed them 41-16 on their home field. I hate the fact that they cried during Rudy. There are stories occurring every day at deaf high schools around the country better than Rudy, yet we have to watch a long-winded movie about a Bangledeshi midget with the foot speed of a heavily sedated three-legged yak whose dog's previous owner was Catholic and so he grew up wearing a Notre Dame letter jacket, talked to an old bald guy and had his dorky friends chant his name so he could get playing time against the Angry Lepers of Southwestern Nebraska School of Appendectomy Surgery and Haiku Poetry.

I hate their stadium. It's nothing special. It seats 80,000. It didn't wake up any echoes when I walked in. Wrigley Field gives me goose bumps. Notre Dame Stadium gives me sneezing fits. I hate the bloody leprechaun that prances the sidelines like a PennState flag boy wearing capri pants. I want to back over him with the Special. I'd like to beat his head against the World's Largest Drum. I hate the tailgating scene at ND. I've seen shorter lines for Port-A-Lets at Kid Rock concerts. I've seen better spreads tailgating at IU and Northwestern.

I hate NBC. I hate Sunday Night Football on NBC. I hate John Madden for being on NBC. I hate 2:30 kickoffs. Play at noon or 3:30 like everyone else. I hate the fact that my cable company doesn't even carry NBCHD.

I hate Charlie Weis. He's arrogant and overrated. I'm sorry, but when your team lays an egg at home against the first truly good team they play, you're not Yoda. When MichiganState is pasting you before John L. Smith pulls a John L. Smith and hands you the game, you're not even Jabba. Jabba had Carrie Fisher in a bikini and chains. Weis couldn't get Rosie O'Donnell in spandex. I hate how those window-licking morons in South Bend anointed him after one good season and completely forgot the fact that Ty started out pretty hot too. I hate the fact that his profile from his forehead to his gut is a straight line. I hate the fact that he's taller lying down than he is standing up. I hate the fact that his offensive line rolls him out of the tunnel and onto the sideline like that fat kid from Hook.

I hate Lou Holtz, the commentator, and how even though he coached at other schools afterward, he still jocks ND. I hate Lou Holtz, the coach, for going into Purdue's locker room after pummeling us in the 80's and telling Lani Paleli that if he wanted to come to Notre Dame, he would still take him (even though he played for Purdue). I hate Lou Holtz, the old wrinkly author and his "motivational speeches". I hate that he seems drunker than Harry Caray (rest his soul!) at 9pm during a day-night double-header when he's stone cold sober.

I hate all the talk about their schedule. They wouldn't be that great in the Big 10 and they know it. They would be like PennState: just another good team. They would struggle to play their Big 10 teams, USC and still squeeze in all the service academies and retirement center rec squads they manage to eke on to their schedule so they can be bowl-eligible every year. I hate the fact that even though their schedule is no harder than any SEC, ACC or Big 10 team plays year in year out, we have to hear about how hard it is to play Michigan, Purdue, Michigan State and USC EVERY STINKING YEAR!!!!!!!!! Never mind MOST Big 10 teams play Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Wisconsin, and Iowa week in, week out, without benefit of scheduling them as they see fit.
I really, really hate Notre Dame, but that's just me."

[daddyphatsacs]

Thanks Troy. I'd figure that you'd enjoy Notre Dame, given the heisman springboard that they provided you in the Fiesta bowl last year.

[DaddyBigBucks]

Ohio State's relationship with Notre Dame is not that complicated. Especially the relationship of ND to Buckeye Fans at BP.

Judging from the quality of the posting here, my best guess is that the average age on this board is about 15 years older than the average age on other Buckeye boards that I will not name. I am not trying to be funny. I am serious, and I think I am being kind.

What make that relevant is that the overwhelming majority of the fans here remember decades during which the MULTITUDE of ND fans that live amongst us were dismissive and condescending. They are only that way about their delusions of being the "only clean program in Div. IA" right now. They are no longer dismissive and condescending with respect to football prowess. Not compared to the 80's.

Many, if not most of us here were old enough at the time to remember the days in the 80s when the 95-96? series was scheduled. ND fans at the time literally sniffed at us with contempt and asked, "Why would you schedule us. You're nowhere near our level. It's suicide."

You don't deal with that for as long as we did without harboring resentment of a kind. For most of us, the outcome of the mid-90s series salved that wound. For most of the rest, a recent bowl game scratched the residual itch.

All that's left really is just enough morbid curiosity that when the same old ND hubris raises its head we sit up and take notice. The trash-talking that preceded the beat-down last January was a carnival side-show. The complaining about the Irish of all teams getting jobbed by the polls is nothing short of stand-up comedy. At this point, we're just having fun.

We know that these things run in cycles and that Jim Tressel won't live forever. But we'll never be talked-down to again.


And oh by the way, yes I have heard an ND fan say that they were the only clean program in Div. IA.

I thought you'd get a kick out of that one.


EDIT: In case you're wondering, I was typing my response when Mili posted what appears directly above it. His post proves my point and vice versa.

[smith403]

Originally Posted by DaddyBigBucks

Ohio State's relationship with Notre Dame is not that complicated. Especially the relationship of ND to Buckeye Fans at BP.

Judging from the quality of the posting here, my best guess is that the average age on this board is about 15 years older than the average age on other Buckeye boards that I will not name. I am not trying to be funny. I am serious, and I think I am being kind.

What make that relevant is that the overwhelming majority of the fans here remember decades during which the MULTITUDE of ND fans that live amongst us were dismissive and condescending. They are only that way about their delusions of being the "only clean program in Div. IA" right now. They are no longer dismissive and condescending with respect to football prowess. Not compared to the 80's.

Many, if not most of us here were old enough at the time to remember the days in the 80s when the 95-96? series was scheduled. ND fans at the time literally sniffed at us with contempt and asked, "Why would you schedule us. You're nowhere near our level. It's suicide."

You don't deal with that for as long as we did without harboring resentment of a kind. For most of us, the outcome of the mid-90s series salved that wound. For most of the rest, a recent bowl game scratched the residual itch.

All that's left really is just enough morbid curiosity that when the same old ND hubris raises its head we sit up and take notice. The trash-talking that preceded the beat-down last January was a carnival side-show. The complaining about the Irish of all teams getting jobbed by the polls is nothing short of stand-up comedy. At this point, we're just having fun.

We know that these things run in cycles and that Jim Tressel won't live forever. But we'll never be talked-down to again.


And oh by the way, yes I have heard an ND fan say that they were the only clean program in Div. IA.

I thought you'd get a kick out of that one.

Well said...I am one of those older posters...also one who knows they got their good or "name" coaches from Ohio and mainly Miami and Ohio State...I listened to their holier than thou crap for over 30 years and have thoroughly enjoyed the 2 games in the 90's and the total dominance of the Buckeyes in the Fiesta Bowl...I HATE DOMERS

[BuckeyeFan_InTx]

Did anyone see th 60 minutes on coach weiss?

[buckiprof]

Originally Posted by DaddyBigBucks

Ohio State's relationship with Notre Dame is not that complicated. Especially the relationship of ND to Buckeye Fans at BP.

Judging from the quality of the posting here, my best guess is that the average age on this board is about 15 years older than the average age on other Buckeye boards that I will not name. I am not trying to be funny. I am serious, and I think I am being kind.

What make that relevant is that the overwhelming majority of the fans here remember decades during which the MULTITUDE of ND fans that live amongst us were dismissive and condescending. They are only that way about their delusions of being the "only clean program in Div. IA" right now. They are no longer dismissive and condescending with respect to football prowess. Not compared to the 80's.

Many, if not most of us here were old enough at the time to remember the days in the 80s when the 95-96? series was scheduled. ND fans at the time literally sniffed at us with contempt and asked, "Why would you schedule us. You're nowhere near our level. It's suicide."

You don't deal with that for as long as we did without harboring resentment of a kind. For most of us, the outcome of the mid-90s series salved that wound. For most of the rest, a recent bowl game scratched the residual itch.

All that's left really is just enough morbid curiosity that when the same old ND hubris raises its head we sit up and take notice. The trash-talking that preceded the beat-down last January was a carnival side-show. The complaining about the Irish of all teams getting jobbed by the polls is nothing short of stand-up comedy. At this point, we're just having fun.

We know that these things run in cycles and that Jim Tressel won't live forever. But we'll never be talked-down to again.


And oh by the way, yes I have heard an ND fan say that they were the only clean program in Div. IA.

I thought you'd get a kick out of that one.


EDIT: In case you're wondering, I was typing my response when Mili posted what appears directly above it. His post proves my point and vice versa.

I am one of those older posters who remembers the ND [censored] in the '80's. I remember an ND fan mandating that I need to cheer for ND over Miami because Miami cheats and ND is a clean program. (I informed him I cheer for neither since at the time I disliked both programs. Now I hate no other program like ND.)

I remember when scheduling ND in 95-96 was "poohed-poohed" by some ND fans I know. I also remember sitting in South Stands during the '95 game, next to some [censored]ing ND fans. Listening to their [censored] in the 1st half, watching them pull out their [censored]ing rosary beads when ND lined up for a field goal, their unparalled arrogance and contempt for OSU, their belief that OSU was fortunate to be on the same field as ND, their complete lack of basic football knowledge, everything about them, validated my intense hatred for all things ND. Yes, that win, that ass-whupping laid on them, was an especially sweet victory for me.

For all the [censored] I have heard from their fans, for all the [censored] we all have to put up with from the media pertaining to ND, for each new coach who comes aboard and will "Return to Glory" the football program, I will always simply say [censored] ND. [censored] Knute Rockne, [censored] the Four Horsemen, [censored] the golden dome, [censored] the grotto, [censored] Rudy, [censored] the Gipper, [censored] Charlie "Snotglaze" Weis, simply [censored] them.

[LordJeffBuck]

In the mid-90's, I thought that the wins against Notre Dame were two of the greatest and most important in Buckeye history. However, in retrospect, I realize that those victories were no more important than beating, say, Washington State, or Missouri, or any other reasonably competent non-conference program. Those two OSU-ND games (and many other ND games before and since) exposed the Domers for what they really are: the Wizard of Oz, a bugbear, a paper tiger, the emperor without any clothes; in other words, a harmless irrelevancy that appears to be imposing only upon the most cursory examination, but is quickly unmasked for the fraud that it is. The most ardent ND fans still gaze longingly at the illusion, while failing to see the reality that lays behind - no one else is still fooled by the smoke and mirrors.

I only wish that Ohio State could schedule Notre Dame more often.... Other than that, who cares?

[BuckeyeTillIDie]

60 Minutes, of course, portrayed him and ND as the greatest school there is. It was like a 10 minute primetime ND plug. What a joke.

[sullie]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeFan_InTx

Did anyone see th 60 minutes on coach weiss?

Yes I did watch it. I am convinced now more than ever than we are the luckiest school in the country to have JT coaching our boys than some asswad like this guy. I was indifferent about the guy before the interview, now I think he's a total horses ass. Oh and if he gains any more weight they're going to have to build a bigger stadium to fit him in it.

[Taosman]

As our good man, LJB says...........
Notre Shame is a paper tiger.

[Dryden]

Well, it's been said Weis is a genius. Take this gem from his 60 Minutes interview, "You know, it's almost like you get 'em as kids and they walk out the door as men."

Wow! I can't believe he figured that out on his own. It's almost like his players go to [censored]ing college or something!

And there was also this one, "I would not want to think that somebody's gonna out-coach me."

Alert JT.

[ulukinatme]

Yes, thats wonderful, I'm glad you're still living in last season there

Heres a great article that I know y'all will love about coach Weis, there was a similar story last year when Weis visited a dying kid before the Washington game I think. As much as you guys like to dog on Weis, I don't see any articles about Tressel showing this kind of compassion.

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/sto...0-AED2B56FC23F

Michael's Wish


Kevin Roche (South Bend, Ind./Batavia, N.Y.) -- It has been a long and emotionally draining year for the entire Napoleone family of Batavia. Almost a year ago, the youngest of the family?s four children was diagnosed with leukemia.
His mother Laurie said, ?To watch your child go through all that you have to go through and be hospitalized for weeks at a time has been hard, really hard.?
Michael Napoleone has undergone chemo therapy since his diagnosis, but like many cancer patients he has also had his share of setbacks, with one relapse in April and another in July.
His father Mark said, ?It seems like every time we got some good news, we got bad news.?
Then, just last week, Michael, his parents, and three siblings all received a much needed break away thanks to the Make-A-Wish-Foundation. The entire family was granted a trip to South Bend Indiana, the home of Notre Dame University and Michael?s favorite football team.
Mark said, ?Since he was able to walk, he would watch Notre Dame football on Saturday afternoon and put the helmet on and run around the living room playing the fight song every time they scored a touchdown.?
The family arrived in South Bend last Thursday. They were taken on a tour of campus and Notre Dame stadium. Michael was generously showered with gifts from the university including a replica jacket like the one Sean Austin wore as Rudy Ruettiger in the 1993 movie ?Rudy.?

Irish head coach Charlie Weis usually doesn?t entertain guests prior to game-day, but he did welcome Michael and his family to the football offices. The coach posed for pictures with Michael, and passed along a game ball and several souvenirs.

Michael?s favorite player, Jeff Samardzija was also on hand to sign Michael?s #83 jersey.

Lesson in Never Giving Up
Then came what Michael called ?the most exciting part--going to the game. There's nothing like game day especially at Notre Dame.?

The Irish scored first and much to Michael?s delight, it was Samardzija who put the Irish up by seven points, but after that touchdown, the Irish trailed most of the game.

Michael?s mom said, ?They were losing the whole game, and there were flat. They just didn?t play well, and then with 27 seconds left his favorite player scores a touchdown.?

Michael?s dad said it couldn?t have been scripted any better.

Mark said, ?You never give up, you?re not going to give up.?

Although the staduim action is exciting, the family also garnered a different kind of strength from a special place on campus simply known as the grotto.

Laurie said, ?It's just a beautiful place. It's a place for reflection. People were singing and they were doing the daily rosary in the evening and we went there each day and prayed and hoping for the best answers and the best direction for his treatment."

Another Wish Fulfilled
Having endured so many setbacks last year, the Napoleones' prayers were answered when the returned home to Batavia. A perfect donor match had been found and next week, Michael will head to Boston for a stem-cell transplant.

Laurie states, ?It may sound clich?, but it?s typical, the way the game ended with the Irish pulling out the win was like a little miraculous victory, and now, we?re just hoping for the same with Michael?s treatment.?

For Michael and his family?a miraculous victory like that would be the greatest comeback of all.

A bone marrow donor registry drive will be held Saturday, October 27 at Notre Dame High School in Batavia from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. in Michael's honor.

[Dryden]

Originally Posted by ulukinatme

Yes, thats wonderful, I'm glad you're still living in last season there

Heres a great article that I know y'all will love about coach Weis, there was a similar story last year when Weis visited a dying kid before the Washington game I think. As much as you guys like to dog on Weis, I don't see any articles about Tressel showing this kind of compassion.

Already discussed. JT and the team spend countless hours at Children's Hospital in Columbus every single week, they simply choose to respect the privacy of those they interact with by not holding a press conference to announce their own greatness.

I'm sure the mother of the dying boy was very happy to have a gazillion national news and TV crews in her living room days after burying her son to talk about what a saint Charlie [censored]ing Weis is.

[JCOSU86]

GPA Dryden.

I think there's a biblical passage that says something like "don't do like the hypocrites do, they go around trumpets blaring when they give to charity. Don't let your right hand know what your left hand is doing"

Or something like that. I guess I won't be founding a religion anytime soon.

[Steve19]

Originally Posted by JCOSU86

GPA Dryden.

I think there's a biblical passage that says something like "don't do like the hypocrites do, they go around trumpets blaring when they give to charity. Don't let your right hand know what your left hand is doing"

Or something like that. I guess I won't be founding a religion anytime soon.

From the book of Matthew:

6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.