Notre Dame SOS, history, Kelly's Zeroes, opinions (not football)

[Dryden]

From this weeks Mailbag (SI's Mandel)

SI.com - Writers - College Football Mailbag (cont.) - Wednesday September 26, 2007 11:52AM

My dad is a subway alum from New York. I was raised on Notre Dame. Here's a question: Why should I be a fan anymore? I have spent countless dollars on tickets and memorabilia. I am hated by friends and co-workers. I consistently expect national championships but clearly couldn't expect that at a Division II level. I DON'T KNOW WHY I CARE ANYMORE. My life has been made worse by this team -- people like me less, I feel completely empty inside every fall, I waste hard earned money. If I was a fan of Star Wars I would also be ridiculed by many but at least I know how that ends. This is a never-ending torment. ...

[ulukinatme]

How sad, fans like this make me shake my head. He thinks he has it bad, I've been going to games since '93, first game I ever went to was the last game of the '93 season when ND was undefeated and lost to friggin' Boston College If he feels down, you can imagine how lucky I felt after that one. I've been to some other hearthbreakers too, '05 USC, '00 overtime game against #1 Nebraska, the '05 Michigan State overtime loss. Seen a lot of great games too, wins against Tennessee, Michigan, Georgia Tech, and more. The team has been up and down for the last 14 years, and more down than up, but you can't get down about it like that. The SI sports writer is right, College Football is great because of the loyalty and the emotion it conveys. Notre Dame will win again, maybe not this season, but I'm gonna feel sorry for the first decent team that suffers a loss to this squad.

[Bucklion]

And that dickwad from Mandel's mailbag sums up subway Alumni in a nutshell...while whining it's someone else's fault no one can stand you, of course. If they aren't the most hated and biggest fairweather pieces of crap fans you've ever seen, you just haven't seen enough yet.

Note: this post has nothing to do with ulukinatme above, just the assbucket in the mailbag.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by Steve19

Fighting Irish fans can take pride in one thing...Charlie Weis has them back in the top 10. Their current streak of five losses ranks #7. Chuckie, we salute ya! Don't you change! Just stay the way you are!

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2007/Inte...A_wlt_loss.pdf

ND's 6-game spin is now the fourth longest in the country (FIU has lost 16, Utah St and Colo St have lost 10, and Middle Tenn St and Temp have lost seven).

[Steve19]

Originally Posted by ulukinatme

How sad, fans like this make me shake my head. He thinks he has it bad, I've been going to games since '93, first game I ever went to was the last game of the '93 season when ND was undefeated and lost to friggin' Boston College If he feels down, you can imagine how lucky I felt after that one. I've been to some other hearthbreakers too, '05 USC, '00 overtime game against #1 Nebraska, the '05 Michigan State overtime loss. Seen a lot of great games too, wins against Tennessee, Michigan, Georgia Tech, and more. The team has been up and down for the last 14 years, and more down than up, but you can't get down about it like that. The SI sports writer is right, College Football is great because of the loyalty and the emotion it conveys. Notre Dame will win again, maybe not this season, but I'm gonna feel sorry for the first decent team that suffers a loss to this squad.

It is within your power to end your torment. Turn away from the dark side.

[ulukinatme]

It is within your power to end your torment. Turn away from the dark side.

Haha, born and raised in Ohio all my life, but my family has always been heavily Irish. Family has graduated there, they give a lot of money and support the university still. Yeah, its sad to see the subway alum that can't handle one bad season, but most of us saw this one coming. Its hard to watch, but you still gotta support your team in the good times and the bad.

[Steve19]

Originally Posted by ulukinatme

Haha, born and raised in Ohio all my life, but my family has always been heavily Irish. Family has graduated there, they give a lot of money and support the university still. Yeah, its sad to see the subway alum that can't handle one bad season, but most of us saw this one coming. Its hard to watch, but you still gotta support your team in the good times and the bad.

Which many of us respect, even if the object of your adoration is misguided.

[DaddyBigBucks]

On Mike & Mike in the Morning:

Greenberg, quoting Jay Leno, reported the following:

• Reversing centuries of doctrine,the Vatican has approved euthanasia: But only for the Notre Dame football team.
• The Hunchback of Notre Dame has transferred to Michigan State
• Pope Benedict has issued an edict saying, "Take Purdue and lay the points"

Mike Golic missed the humor for some reason.

[iambrutus]

Originally Posted by DaddyBigBucks

On Mike & Mike in the Morning:

Greenberg, quoting Jay Leno, reported the following:

• Reversing centuries of doctrine,the Vatican has approved euthanasia: But only for the Notre Dame football team.
• The Hunchback of Notre Dame has transferred to Michigan State
• Pope Benedict has issued an edict saying, "Take Purdue and lay the points"

Mike Golic missed the humor for some reason.

thats funny stuff!

[BuckeyeNation27]

Originally Posted by ulukinatme

Haha, born and raised in Ohio all my life, but my family has always been heavily Irish. Family has graduated there, they give a lot of money and support the university still. Yeah, its sad to see the subway alum that can't handle one bad season, but most of us saw this one coming. Its hard to watch, but you still gotta support your team in the good times and the bad.

I'll never understand why people who are Irish decide they should like Notre Dame...just because they're Irish.

[Dryden]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

I'll never understand why people who are Irish decide they should like Notre Dame...just because they're Irish.

It's for the same reason that people from Pennsylvania decide they should like Penn St. They're dumb.

[sandgk]

Should ND's Press Transcripts be a No-Spin Zone

Assertions of Selective Editing (kind way of saying censorship I suppose) in transcript of Weis' Press Conference. ND Observer.
(Contrasted in the article with the Gundy / Carlon / Reid story).

Football Commentary: Coaches argue with press corps
Should teams be able to regulate coverage?

Ken Fowler

Issue date: 9/27/07 Section: Sports

Charlie Weis had a bit of a moment last week.

Eric Hansen of the South Bend Tribune wrote a lengthy "analysis" in last Thursday's paper, which asked the reader to imagine he were Charlie Weis and explored what Weis was thinking going into the Michigan State game.

In reality, it was a column - which is fine. Its toughest words went like this:

"You talked a good game about nasty, but until now you weren't doing anything to actually build it. You can point the finger at offensive line coach John Latina, but his lines at Ole Miss were considered among the best-coached and toughest in the SEC."

Weis took offense and answered Hansen's unrelated question at a news conference the next day with a quick retort and a jab at Hansen.

"Well, would you like for me to answer this in the first person, second person or third person?" Weis asked. "Well, you probably have that answer. So we'll move on. Next question."

The exchange was available for all to see via an on-line video, but the athletic department omitted the words from the "official" transcript posted on-line. Associate Athletic Director John Heisler said Tuesday that Notre Dame routinely edits its transcripts, provided by a third party, for clarity's sake when specific questions would not make sense for those reading.

While official transcripts should include complete, unedited quotations for honesty's sake - and to retain the legitimacy of the transcript itself - there is a separate, important point raised by the exchange.

Weis is either right or wrong; there's no need to ignore the conflict of opinions.

Such conflicts between coaches and media happen, and they are far from rare. Leaders in pressure-packed jobs get mad all the time. Sometimes their anger is justified; sometimes it's not. Always, however, it's entertaining. As a friend of mine said earlier this week, people love you when you're human. Humans have a tendency to get mad, react stupidly and then repent. That's life.
(ctd.)

[BB73]

Associate Athletic Director John Heisler said Tuesday that Notre Dame routinely edits its transcripts, provided by a third party, for clarity's sake when specific questions would not make sense for those reading.

It's nice of ND to take C-Dog into consideration when they do these things.

[GoodLifeSean]

Originally Posted by sandgk

Should ND's Press Transcripts be a No-Spin Zone

Assertions of Selective Editing (kind way of saying censorship I suppose) in transcript of Weis' Press Conference. ND Observer.
(Contrasted in the article with the Gundy / Carlon / Reid story).

Oh Charlie Weis you big fat bastard. The media says nothing about Weis copping an attitude about a rather clever article about one's professional performance. However, when Mike Gundy flipped a nut to defend a player's honor, he was the biggest evil since the guy who invented one ply toilet paper... Media hipocracy at its finest.

[lvbuckeye]

read that whole column. it's about the best take i've seen on it from a media-type.