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Why the focus on Shaun King...
SportsCenter had a "Sunday Conversation" with Shaun King. That's why he was so good.
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As I recall, when he was a senior, wasn't the skunkbear faithful wanting him benched in favor of another QB?
You are correct sir. You'd never know it with all the Tom Brady tea-bagging that goes on in AA nowadays but they [censored] all over him while he actually played there. I remember a scUMer buddy of mine talking a bunch of trash about how NE was stupid for wasting a draft pick on him. Of course now he has no recollection of that conversation ever occuring.
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The fact that Michigan fans claim Tom Brady as sterling example of QB development is laughable...

The guy split time with Henson...should we also use Henson as an example of development?

Maybe we should just say that Michigan developed Brady but had absolutely zero clue about how good he could be.

In fact, why not just say Michigan hindered the progress of Tom Brady?
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The fact that Michigan fans claim Tom Brady as sterling example of QB development is laughable...

The guy split time with Henson...should we also use Henson as an example of development?

Maybe we should just say that Michigan developed Brady but had absolutely zero clue about how good he could be.

In fact, why not just say Michigan hindered the progress of Tom Brady?
But if we said that then the Michigan NFL QB connection wouldn't sound as impressive....
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You guys are missing the boat on this whole scUM qb thing. Tressel and staff took Troy and turned him from a guy who returned some kicks as a frosh to a guy who started (and won) playing QB in the NFL. What rr did was probably more impressive as he took a guy who played QB his whole career at Clemson and turned him into an NFL kick returner.

I think an even better way of looking at this is just how good could some of the former scUM QBs been under rr's tutelage? I cringe in fear at the thought of facing Elvis Grbac or John Navarre, or even Tom Brady (with his incredible athleticism) playing in rr's system, they would transform into special teams monsters in the NFL that would make Devin Hester fans quake.
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The fact that Michigan fans claim Tom Brady as sterling example of QB development is laughable...

The guy split time with Henson...should we also use Henson as an example of development?

Maybe we should just say that Michigan developed Brady but had absolutely zero clue about how good he could be.

In fact, why not just say Michigan hindered the progress of Tom Brady?

as i've said numerous times in the past, ttun took an nfl superbowl mvp caliber qb, and developed him into a 6th round draft pick.
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You are correct sir. You'd never know it with all the Tom Brady tea-bagging that goes on in AA nowadays but they [censored] all over him while he actually played there. I remember a scUMer buddy of mine talking a bunch of trash about how NE was stupid for wasting a draft pick on him. Of course now he has no recollection of that conversation ever occuring.
Not fair at all. Brady vs. Henson was more of a controversy than the fans simply calling for Henson. There was a plenty big enough camp that preferred Brady - for one thing, if memory serves, Henson suffered some injuries which kept him on the bench, and for another, the dude never could make up his mind whether or not to play baseball. He would miss spring practices and sometimes fall, because he was off playing minor league ball. Every year was an exercise in will-he-be-there-or-won't-he, and I wasn't the only one who was getting tired of the antics.

IMO, baseball was a colossal mistake for Henson. The guy was such a gifted athlete, and he was a three-sport star in high school, so playing baseball and football must have felt like cutting back rather than trying too much. If he'd have focused on football, he'd have been a two-year starter at Michigan and a high draft pick....instead, he decided to toil away in the minors.
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Not fair at all. Brady vs. Henson was more of a controversy than the fans simply calling for Henson. There was a plenty big enough camp that preferred Brady - for one thing, if memory serves, Henson suffered some injuries which kept him on the bench, and for another, the dude never could make up his mind whether or not to play baseball. He would miss spring practices and sometimes fall, because he was off playing minor league ball. Every year was an exercise in will-he-be-there-or-won't-he, and I wasn't the only one who was getting tired of the antics.

IMO, baseball was a colossal mistake for Henson. The guy was such a gifted athlete, and he was a three-sport star in high school, so playing baseball and football must have felt like cutting back rather than trying too much. If he'd have focused on football, he'd have been a two-year starter at Michigan and a high draft pick....instead, he decided to toil away in the minors.
While taking home a healthy paycheck from Steinbrenner.

Saaaay....isn't the OSU band room named after the Steinbrenners?
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as i've said numerous times in the past, ttun took an nfl superbowl mvp caliber qb, and developed him into a 6th round draft pick.
Nonsense. Where was that MVP talent when he was seventh on the depth chart his freshman year? Brady enrolled at Michigan with all the hype of a new mailroom clerk, and by his junior year had beat out Scott Dreisbach (a senior who already had a year-plus of starting experience under his belt) for the starting job.

Michigan took a complete nobody and turned him into a two-year-starting, Orange Bowl-winning, low-round draft pick of a quarterback. The Patriots took that low-round draft pick and developed him into a Super Bowl MVP.
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Michigan took a complete nobody and turned him into a two-year-starting, Orange Bowl-winning, low-round draft pick of a quarterback. The Patriots took that low-round draft pick and developed him into a Super Bowl MVP.
Which is exactly the point of OSU fans. In these debates, Troy Smith, the greatest wolverine killer of all time and heisman winner, is trivialized by UM fans because of his draft spot.
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Which is exactly the point of OSU fans. In these debates, Troy Smith, the greatest wolverine killer of all time and heisman winner, is trivialized by UM fans because of his draft spot.
Remember, I used to argue that it was Troy Smith, not Jim Tressel, that was our true nemesis. I've softened that stance somewhat, of course.
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Remember, I used to argue that it was Troy Smith, not Jim Tressel, that was our true nemesis. I've softened that stance somewhat, of course.
Yeah now it's [censored]ing Chris Wells who's taking Troy's spot.

Like HTM said, Brady came in from Mater Dei with little to no expectations and almost transferred because of who was ahead of him on the depth chart. When he finally got the nod, he went 20-5 with numerous comeback wins and an Orange Bowl win.
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Michigan took a complete nobody and turned him into a two-year-starting, Orange Bowl-winning, low-round draft pick of a quarterback. The Patriots took that low-round draft pick and developed him into a Super Bowl MVP.
Sorry, but as much as it pains me to say it, Michigan never hands out free rides to "nobody" QBs. With the possible exception of Notre Dame, no prgoram scours the entire country for QB prospects like Michigan does. If Michigan gave a scholarship to Brady out of the tens of thousands of high school QBs in the country, he was hardly a "nobody".
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Sorry, but as much as it pains me to say it, Michigan never hands out free rides to "nobody" QBs. With the possible exception of Notre Dame, no prgoram scours the entire country for QB prospects like Michigan does. If Michigan gave a scholarship to Brady out of the tens of thousands of high school QBs in the country, he was hardly a "nobody".
Right, but the fact is that when Brady came in, he still had a lot of work to do to ever get playing time. He was seventh as a freshman.
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