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03-24-2008, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by HailToMichigan
Remember, I used to argue that it was Troy Smith, not Jim Tressel, that was our true nemesis. I've softened that stance somewhat, of course.
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Had Troy not taken the next step later in 05, I think that UM-fan-ingrained excuse would hold more water. But the fleet-footed, 1 read and go athlete progressed into a polished pocket passer over the next two years.
It will be interesting to hear the next copout if Pryor manages to develop into a first day pick... given his tremendous upside before arrival.
Note: my beef is more with the general fanbase than you, so don't take these comments too personally.
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03-24-2008, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SNIPER26
Right, but the fact is that when Brady came in, he still had a lot of work to do to ever get playing time. He was seventh as a freshman.
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So, then I could argue that Brady's rise to starter was due as much to Michigan failing to develop the other six guys as it was their developing Brady.
Bottom line is that if Michigan developed Brady as much as many Michigan fans thump their chests about, then he wouldn't have been a sixth-round pick.
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03-24-2008, 03:29 PM
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Get Rolle on the field - I wanna see some damage!
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Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye
So, then I could argue that Brady's rise to starter was due as much to Michigan failing to develop the other six guys as it was their developing Brady.
Bottom line is that if Michigan developed Brady as much as many Michigan fans thump their chests about, then he wouldn't have been a sixth-round pick.
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Meh, the same is true of us as tOSU fans and Troy. We all talk about JTs development of an Elite 11 QB (who performed pretty well at that function) and how he made him what he is today (a 6th round pick).
Yeah, Meat thumps their chest over Brady....yada yada yada, and we do about JT and Troy. They were both highly regarded in some sense prior to committing to a school. I'll give Meat their due that they helped Brady along and JT obviously helped Troy. Yes, the change was more dramatic in that Troy had to be transformed from runner to mobile-yet-pocket-QB versus Brady simply matriculating as the same type of QB, but it seems clear that Meat had involvement in Brady's evolution.
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03-24-2008, 03:39 PM
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Why don't Michigan fans get this. It's not that Tressel is better at developing QBs......it's that Tressel doesn't kill their NFL QB chances. Pat White can win a ton of games in a pussified Big East running a fairy version of offense, but what does he think he's going to do in the NFL? I don't see any of Tressel's QBs going down that road.
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03-24-2008, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SNIPER26
Yeah now it's [censored]ing Chris Wells who's taking Troy's spot.
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03-24-2008, 04:14 PM
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I'm kinda in shock we're arguing over QBs here between these two teams. Let's get a couple things straight:
As far as talent at the QB position, scUM has had better talent over the last 20 years or so than tOSU and most of that talent seems to get better once it gets to the league. Why one of scUM's players progress from 6th round picks to hall of famers over tOSU's 5th round national championship winning QB is debateable, but the bottom line is their QBs translate to the league better than tOSUs. For whatever reason, drop back passers like Hoying, Germaine, and Krenzel didn't make the cut in the NFL like Tomzsak and K.Graham. Even though, Germaine has made a real name for himself in Arena Football, and Herbstreit, though a terrible QB, has made a name for himself in the broadcasters booth like many other tOSU alumni.
As far as duel threat QBs like Pryor, scUM has no such history, as they ran a pro-style offense that the NFL loves, hence a good reason why their QBs tended to do better in the league. Ohio State on the other hand, has had quite a few duel threat QBs over the years that include Corny Greene, Stanley Jackson, Steve Bellisari, Troy Smith, and currently has Antonio Henton & Terrelle Pryor on the team. Troy's got an amazing opportunity to really do something great in Baltimore this coming year after starting a couple games during his rookie season last year. At this point though, the talent that duel threat QBs in general posess has yet to seriously translate consistentaly on the field.
I'm interested to see what RR brings in this COMPLETELY new era of scUM football. Will it be better than their pro set days? Will the RR era turn around the program like the Tressel era at tOSU? I guess we'll have to see.
And for what it's worth, reading those quotes from bitter scUM fans outside the state about losing the Pryor sweepstakes made my day.
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03-24-2008, 04:19 PM
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Dickrod you know, the first cut is the deepest....
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