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[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by HailToMichigan

Besides, would you hold Tressel in such high esteem if he was going 9-4 all the time, as this method would indicate he would do? That's worse than Coop's percentage.

How long are you going to make dip[censored] comparisons? Tressel is 208-73-2 (73.7%) all-time including 73-16-0 (82.0%) at Ohio State...not even close to 62.5%. Oh yeah, Tressel also has five national titles and nine national title game appearances. How many of either does DickRod have?

[CleveBucks]

Originally Posted by HailToMichigan

I suppose if you hold his one year at Salem College against him it's that low. Not sure I'm going to judge his coaching based on how he did at a school that dropped its football team.

Besides, would you hold Tressel in such high esteem if he was going 9-4 all the time, as this method would indicate he would do? That's worse than Coop's percentage.

And no, resources and competition do not go up in the same proportion, otherwise you'd be suggesting that the resources at all Big Ten schools are the same across the board because the competition is a step up from the Big East.

.645 after you take out his weak first year. Much of a difference?

[Oh8ch]

I have to admit I too am sad to see all the hatred for RR posted in this thread.

After all - he has his own thread! Let's post some hate over there as well.

[HailToMichigan]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

How long are you going to make dip[censored] comparisons? Tressel is 208-73-2 (73.7%) all-time including 73-16-0 (82.0%) at Ohio State...not even close to 62.5%. Oh yeah, Tressel also has five national titles and nine national title game appearances. How many of either does DickRod have?

Apples to oranges. Next time read the whole discussion. Tressel was not 208-73-2 when he showed up at Ohio State. He was roughly .700. Which was at D-IAA. The competition in the Big Ten is so much harder!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Muck]

Originally Posted by NFBuck

look at his performance in conference against the teams that had decent defenses (USF x2 and Pitt last year). I see him as all style, little substance. How will his offense do in the Big Ten when he has to face legitimate defenses that see him every year?

Yep

Originally Posted by HailToMichigan

Besides, would you hold Tressel in such high esteem if he was going 9-4 all the time, as this method would indicate he would do? That's worse than Coop's percentage.

The last coach Ohio State had that went 9-4 all the time was Earle Bruce.

He was fired for it.

[HailToMichigan]

Originally Posted by Muck

The last coach Ohio State had that went 9-4 all the time was Earle Bruce.

He was fired for it.

Yes, exactly.

But Tressel's record at Youngstown State was 135-57-2, or .701. Applying the fallacious logic that RR's previous coaching win percentage (.625) will be the same at Michigan, Tressel should be giving you 9-4 seasons. He's not, even though the competition is so much better.

[NFBuck]

Originally Posted by HailToMichigan

Apples to oranges. Next time read the whole discussion. Tressel was not 208-73-2 when he showed up at Ohio State. He was roughly .700. Which was at D-IAA. The competition in the Big Ten is so much harder!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And he won four national titles and played for two others where I'd argue a National Title is even more difficult with the playoff format. DickRod has a couple Big East titles after the big boys left the conference. Even with that, like I previously stated, he struggled against teams with decent defenses. Big difference.

[sandgk]

Originally Posted by HailToMichigan

And no, resources and competition do not go up in the same proportion, otherwise you'd be suggesting that the resources at all Big Ten schools are the same across the board because the competition is a step up from the Big East.

Nobody is suggesting that is the case - but, it is evident that you don't need lots of resources to beat an RR offense - South Florida had a dearth of resources and they did just fine, two years in a row.

Originally Posted by HailToMichigan

The competition in the Big Ten is so much harder!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know you intended that as your best attempt at deflecting Mili's point, but it fails.

RR lost in the Big East, badly when it was better stocked with teams, emphatically at season's end, or season's beginning against inferior opposition when all that stood in his way was Pitt or South Florida.

The problem for RR is that the road doesn't only come through Ohio State in the Big Ten. The competition will be tougher (Wisky, MSU, Penn State, Purdue, Illinois) and that is why we here are so certain he will lose more than his share.

You keep citing 9-4, maybe there's a reason why those figures are on your mind? A best case basis perhaps?

[HailToMichigan]

Originally Posted by sandgk

You keep citing 9-4, maybe there's a reason why those figures are on your mind? A best case basis perhaps?

I keep citing 9-4 in relation to Tressel. It's a voodoo thing.

[sandgk]

Originally Posted by HailToMichigan

I keep citing 9-4 in relation to Tressel. It's a voodoo thing.

Meh - if 9-4 is TSUN's record next year I'll be very surprised, Your season has 8-5, at best, written all over it. Downhill from there.

Speaking of voodoo, has West Virginia sold out of their Rodriguez Voodoo dolls?

Bad juju man, bad medicine.

[BuckeyeNation27]

Originally Posted by HTM

You say the Big East is not as good a conference as the Big Ten, but then again, neither is the Missouri Valley - and I think the gap is a bit wider in your case.

not a good comparison at all. all this "success" you're heaping on him is directly correlated to every good team leaving his schedule. I doubt Tressel was winning Championships because the better teams he was supposed to play up and left.

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by HailToMichigan

Apples to oranges. Next time read the whole discussion. Tressel was not 208-73-2 when he showed up at Ohio State. He was roughly .700. Which was at D-IAA. The competition in the Big Ten is so much harder!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll take .701 (YSU record) over .548 (DickRod's record prior to WVU) any day. As for the competition being harder in the Big Ten, at YSU Tressel competed against the same leve of opponents, i.e., fellow I-AA schools (and had a winning record against I-A schools, something like 18-14 IIRC). He won those four national titles and two runners-up at YSU on the field in playoffs, not through polls...he earned them.

Bottom line is that he was far worse than Tressel at the lower level (Salem and Glenville State, 45-36-2, .548) and also at the upper level (WVU, 60 26, .698).

[Jaxbuck]

Originally Posted by HailToMichigan

I suppose if you hold his one year at Salem College against him it's that low. Not sure I'm going to judge his coaching based on how he did at a school that dropped its football team.

OK.

Take away his worst year (2-8 at Salem), then take away his best year (11-1) and his career record is 91-53-2. Thats a .630 win %.

Besides, would you hold Tressel in such high esteem if he was going 9-4 all the time, as this method would indicate he would do? That's worse than Coop's percentage.

JT's career win % is 74% thats 10-3 on average
His 82% mark while at OSU would average out to 11-2

and yes we would hold him in high regard based soley on what he's done in big games against his rival. How's RR's track record on that front?

And no, resources and competition do not go up in the same proportion, otherwise you'd be suggesting that the resources at all Big Ten schools are the same across the board because the competition is a step up from the Big East.

No, its saying that while you do indeed step up the resources you have availible at scUM, you step up to a higher degree of difficulty with the schedule. Its a wash.

[MaxBuck]

Originally Posted by HailToMichigan

The obvious answer is, you're Ohio State fans so [censored] Michigan.

Figured that one out pretty quick, didn't you?

[brutus2002]

RB David Oku has eliminated Michigan...There are a couple of defenders from Florida that have moved Auburn to the top of their list.