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[SNIPER26]

Originally Posted by Jaxbuck

@MSU
@ Wisky for a night game
OSU

No way in hell you guys come out of that stretch without a loss.

I think PSU finally gets the monkey off their backs vs tsun as well.

Please. MSU might as well be a 1-AA school. They're not very good. Wisconsin scares me but they have no offense to move the ball. PJ Hill is vastly overrated as he's done nothing vs. good teams, and they have a new QB. Ohio State, well you guys are damn good. Obviously I'm a Michigan fan but I have a ton of respect for the Buckeyes. This might not be their most talented team but that's never stopped the Buckeyes on several other occasions. Don't mock me with that MSU garbage though.

PSU has an inept QB and their running game is unsettled (though I hope Scott does well he went to my HS)

[SNIPER26]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

I saw what App State did to YSU last year. App State's speed will give your secondary a lot more trouble than YSU's will ours.

YSU will run the ball up the gut and that's not your strong suit either.

[DaddyBigBucks]

Originally Posted by SNIPER26

YSU will run the ball up the gut and that's not your strong suit either.

I hope I'm reading this wrong, because it looks like you're saying that run defense is not OSU's strong suit.

For most teams, losing the DTs means that stuffing the run won't be your strong suit.

But for Ohio State under JT, stuffing the run is always our strong suit. I have some stats to back that up which I will post tomorrow morning (but probably not in this thread).

[Jaxbuck]

Originally Posted by SNIPER26

Please. MSU might as well be a 1-AA school. They're not very good. Wisconsin scares me but they have no offense to move the ball. PJ Hill is vastly overrated as he's done nothing vs. good teams, and they have a new QB. Ohio State, well you guys are damn good. Obviously I'm a Michigan fan but I have a ton of respect for the Buckeyes. This might not be their most talented team but that's never stopped the Buckeyes on several other occasions. Don't mock me with that MSU garbage though.

PSU has an inept QB and their running game is unsettled (though I hope Scott does well he went to my HS)

We'll have to archive this one. You are taking PSU and Wisky far too lightly. The combined effect of a rivalry game, a night game at Wisky and then OSU all back to back will bite anyone, especially a team built the way tsun is this year. PSU after Oregon and ND? Same concept less hostile environment.

Also, you guys might want to enjoy the time your dominating Sparty, Dantonio with a B10 school's resources is another thing I wouldn't take lightly. Every knowlegeable OSU fan I know said a private "ah [censored]" when he got that job.

They will be a team to deal with soon and will be a tough out from day 1 with him as coach. They probably aren't good enough to beat the good teams yet but they will be tough.

[BuckTwenty]

Originally Posted by SNIPER26

YSU will run the ball up the gut and that's not your strong suit either.

Since YSU's starting RB from last year (former Illinois RB Marcus Mason) graduated, I'm hardly shaking in my shoes thinking about their running game. I'm not sure who Appalachian State is losing from last year's team, but I know for a fact that they will be the harder of the two D-1AA schools to face this year.

MSU's problem wasn't talent... it was leadership and coaching. With Dantonio at their helm, they are far from being a team to sleep on (ask Rutgers). Sounds like someone doesn't have much respect for their other conference rival there

Edit: If MSU is a D-1AA team, what does that make Minnesota? Because I remember you guys getting beat by them IN THE BIG HOUSE just two short years ago...

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by SNIPER26

YSU will run the ball up the gut and that's not your strong suit either.

Actually, everyone who tried to run the ball up the middle on us last year was stuffed...it's when they bounced/went outside is when we were vulnerable. If YSU tries to run up the middle on us, they'll be staring a negative rushing total right in the face...

[schwab]

Jim Tressel is the reason that any scUM fan would ever consider MSU as a 1-AA school. When Cooper was coaching the Buckeyes, scUM used to try to act like Ohio State didn't even matter anymore and that MSU was their chief rival along with Notre Dame. How far we have come in six short seasons.

[SNIPER26]

Originally Posted by BuckTwenty

Since YSU's starting RB from last year (former Illinois RB Marcus Mason) graduated, I'm hardly shaking in my shoes thinking about their running game. I'm not sure who Appalachian State is losing from last year's team, but I know for a fact that they will be the harder of the two D-1AA schools to face this year.

MSU's problem wasn't talent... it was leadership and coaching. With Dantonio at their helm, they are far from being a team to sleep on (ask Rutgers). Sounds like someone doesn't have much respect for their other conference rival there

Edit: If MSU is a D-1AA team, what does that make Minnesota? Because I remember you guys getting beat by them IN THE BIG HOUSE just two short years ago...

Minny is better than MSU. Don't remember the Minnesota game, that season has been edited out of my memory besides the PSU game (Only because I'm in the midst of PSU country)

[billmac91]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

Per CFN 2007 CFN All-Americans (Quarterbacks) article:



They have "Hanging" Chad Henne 7th...

All I've ever argued is that Henne is a stud and he'll be taken before Brennan in the draft. This article does nothing to dispute that. It's common knowledge at this point that Brian Brohm will be the first QB taken in the draft, and CFN would even be the first news organization to say that, yet he's listed 3rd and an honorable mention for All-American. Unfortunately for College All Americans/Heisman trophy winners(Troy Smith), they aren't rated on college stats, they're rated based on potential

Again, Colt is fantastic, and he's going to have an enormous year and probably will be a first team All-American but that doesn't change the fact that Chad Henne and Brian Brohm are better pro prospects (also better pro prospects than Pat White who's #2 on your list)

And for the record I think Colt will get his chance in the pros and prob be pretty good, my only argument has been that Chad Henne has oodles of talent and just b/c he's 0-3 against the Bucks doesn't mean he sucks

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by billmac91

All I've ever argued is that Henne is a stud and he'll be taken before Brennan in the draft. This article does nothing to dispute that. It's common knowledge at this point that Brian Brohm will be the first QB taken in the draft, and CFN would even be the first news organization to say that

The same CFN that has Brennan #1 and Henne #7, calling Brennan the "Brennan is the absolute, 100%, NFL-caliber real deal" while only saying about Henne "should grow into the best NFL quarterback prospect from Michigan since Elvis Grbac"? Sorry, but plain English tells me that they say Brennan is the better pro prospect.

Originally Posted by billmac91

Again, Colt is fantastic, and he's going to have an enormous year and probably will be a first team All-American but that doesn't change the fact that Chad Henne and Brian Brohm are better pro prospects

Again, Henne is a better pro prospect based on what? His extra 15 or so pounds? Brennan has been playing in a pro-style offense under the direction of a former pro quarterback and pro quarterbacks and head coach.

[billmac91]

Originally Posted by MililaniBuckeye

The same CFN that has Brennan #1 and Henne #7, calling Brennan the "Brennan is the absolute, 100%, NFL-caliber real deal" while only saying about Henne "should grow into the best NFL quarterback prospect from Michigan since Elvis Grbac"? Sorry, but plain English tells me that they say Brennan is the better pro prospect.


Again, Henne is a better pro prospect based on what? His extra 15 or so pounds? Brennan has been playing in a pro-style offense under the direction of a former pro quarterback and pro quarterbacks and head coach.

Would you argue Pat White is a better pro-prospect than Brian Brohm b/c he is #2 on that list...would you argue Brennan is a better prospect than Brohm b/c he is #3. Again, Troy Smith was listed as a pre-season first teamer in all sorts of mags but got taken in the 5th round

On top of that you say Hawaii runs a pro-style offense which isn't the case...they run a wide open attack in which they throw the ball primarily out of shotgun (in fact I'd be likely to call it a run and shoot).....again, wininging the ball around isn't the equivalent of a pro-style offense even though June Jones used to be a NFL coach....does any team in the NFL run the run and shoot anymore outside the 2 minute drill?

Michigan's offense is a much better example of a pro-style offense

Chad Henne also has Michigan's pedigree for producing quarterbacks working for him

And again, yes Hennes frame and size will be a major selling point for him....do you not remeber the scouts drooling over Jamracus Russel's and Brady Quinn's size.......I know Colt is a mere 15 lbs lighter, but it looks like a lot more, as Brennan looks pretty slender ....I know it sounds like a minor point, but come a month beofre the draft, all we'll hear about is Henne's NFL ready body

[SNIPER26]

Originally Posted by billmac91

Would you argue Pat White is a better pro-prospect than Brian Brohm b/c he is #2 on that list...would you argue Brennan is a better prospect than Brohm b/c he is #3. Again, Troy Smith was listed as a pre-season first teamer in all sorts of mags but got taken in the 5th round

On top of that you say Hawaii runs a pro-style offense which isn't the case...they run a wide open attack in which they throw the ball primarily out of shotgun (in fact I'd be likely to call it a run and shoot).....again, wininging the ball around isn't the equivalent of a pro-style offense even though Jude Jones used to be a NFL coach....does any team in the NFL run the run and shoot anymore outside the 2 minute drill?

Michigan's offense is a much better example of a pro-style offense

Chad Henne also has Michigan's pedigree for producing quarterbacks working for him

And again, yes Hennes frame and size will be a major selling point for him....do you not remeber the scouts drooling over Jamracus Russel's and Brady Quinn's size.......I know Colt is a mere 15 lbs lighter, but it looks like a lot more, as Brennan looks pretty slender ....I know it sounds like a minor point, but come a month beofre the draft, all we'll hear about is Henne's NFL ready body

Pat White should be considered in the running backs, not QB. He didn't even throw enough passes last year to be eligible for QB ratings [censored].

There's no way Hawaii runs a more pro-style offense than Michigan, unless everyone in the pros is going to a 4-5 wide set every play and letting their QB chuck it downfield with no running game.

Mind you, I'd be drooling over Russell and Quinn's size as selling points for them too considering how [censored]ty the QB class was this year. Then again, Troy Smith was what, 6 foot, 215 and will probably end up as the #2 or #3 QB in this class (and we all know I'm not exactly the biggest Buckeye booster around here)

[billmac91]

Originally Posted by SNIPER26

Pat White should be considered in the running backs, not QB. He didn't even throw enough passes last year to be eligible for QB ratings [censored].

There's no way Hawaii runs a more pro-style offense than Michigan, unless everyone in the pros is going to a 4-5 wide set every play and letting their QB chuck it downfield with no running game.

Mind you, I'd be drooling over Russell and Quinn's size as selling points for them too considering how [censored]ty the QB class was this year. Then again, Troy Smith was what, 6 foot, 215 and will probably end up as the #2 or #3 QB in this class (and we all know I'm not exactly the biggest Buckeye booster around here)

Thats my point in regards to Pat White...the list is just who will make All-American this year ...it has no bearing on draft status....the quotes given to Brennan were nice, but come combine time Henne will be rated a higher QB and most likely already is in NFL GM's minds

[MililaniBuckeye]

Originally Posted by billmac91

Would you argue Pat White is a better pro-prospect than Brian Brohm b/c he is #2 on that list...would you argue Brennan is a better prospect than Brohm b/c he is #3. Again, Troy Smith was listed as a pre-season first teamer in all sorts of mags but got taken in the 5th round

I'm not as familiar with White or Brohm so I can't make an objective observation on them. However, I've seen Brennan a ton and have seen Henne about 8-9 times, so I can make I good comparison.

As for Troy Smith, you don't think the Debacle in the Desert severely hurt his draft standing? Tell me you think he still would've been a 5th round pick had he gone 24-32-0 for 300+ yards and 3 TDs leading Ohio State to a 3-TD rout over Florida. Plus, Troy's "frame" wasn't the issue at camps, it was his height, whereas both Brennan and Henne are markedly taller and are the same height. Thus, Troy's draft position has absolutely zip to do with this...nada.

[NFBuck]

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