College Playoff

[jwinslow]

Originally Posted by Buckeyefrankmp

Great. It would be just like the 60s and 70s where three or four organizations are crowning multiple national champions.

FIFY.

The SEC would claim a championship every single year.

[osubartender23]

Originally Posted by AuburnBuckeye

Yes, but they would mean a lot if they happened in a playoff, which BKB seems to be against.

So to get this straight upsets that happen in the regular season dont really matter but those in the playoffs do? So whats the point of playing the regular season if potential upsets dont matter? Why not just put the historically elite teams in a playoff and forego the regular season entirely? I see what you are trying to say with them mattering more in the playoffs, but that just doesnt jive.

[osubartender23]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

FIFY.

The SEC would claim a championship every single year.

Don't they already pretty much do this anyway?

[zincfinger]

Originally Posted by Buckeyefrankmp

Then why even have a BCS title game if it is so obvious who the clear #1 team is every year in college football? Just crown a champion after the regular season is over.

Like BKB, I'd have no problem with that. But that misses the point. No one is saying it's clear who the "best team in the country" is after the regular season. The anti-playoff argument in regard to fairness is that it isn't clear, and never can be made objectively clear. I'd go one further and say that most years, there is no objectively best team. There is a collection of comparable teams, and which one is playing the best at any given time varies from week to week. So bear in mind, it is only the playoff advocates who promote a sense of increased fairness as a reason for their system. But in general, a playoff would produce results in some specific instances that would appear to be more fair, and in other specific instances would produce results that appear to be less fair. Now just to recap, the anti-playoff argument is: forget fairness, it's a pipe-dream. And once you set aside the notion of fairness (which exists to some extent, but similarly imperfectly in any system), what you're left with is the question of what system makes the entire season - regular season plus postseason - the most entertaining and exciting from beginning to end. It's on that basis that some people decide in favor of the current system, relative to a playoff.

[AuburnBuckeye]

Originally Posted by DaddyBigBucks

Wow - powerful argument for changing a system that isn't broken


BTW: Do you still believe that the pro-playoff crowd vastly outnumbers the anti-playoff crowd? If so, why are none (ok, maybe one) of your multitude coming to your defense?

That wasn't an argument for change, that was an argument in defense of my own argument. Maybe read whats happening sometimes?

I have found in my time as a CFB fan that Big 10 fans tend to lean towards keeping the current system while most of the rest of the country leans the other way, so yes an OSU board would have more people for the current system.

[AuburnBuckeye]

Originally Posted by BB73

How could there possibly be an upset of that magnitude (Stanford was about a 40-point underdog) in a playoff system with 8 teams?

Unless, that is, TSUN was in the playoffs and they included lower division teams like Appalachian State?

I never said upsets of specifically THAT magnitude. But there still can be major upsets.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

How could you choose fairly between the top-3 last year?

Well, I'm not interested in "fair" as I've said. But, to answer your question, the BCS as a poll would be fine by me in selecting a champion. It takes human factors in to consideration (human polls) crunches data (computers) and achieves some result. I would "tweak" it if I could by not allowing polls before week X (say week 8, or some such) and I would also envision a "panel" of voters who were under some kind of criteria for their analysis/ranking. I won't outline what I think would be those criterion, but the point is, the polling system could be tightened up just as easy as creating a playoff.

Originally Posted by Buckeyefrankmp

Great. It would be just like the 60s and 70s where three or four organizations crowning the national champion.

Oh, you mean like we have even today, with the BCS, AP and others like Sagarin?

Originally Posted by jwinslow

FIFY.

The SEC would claim a championship every single year.

Correction - it wouldn't be just the SEC claim, it would be Alabama, the SEC (assuming Alabama was 7-5 or some such (bama would still claim the tite of course) and Notre Dame.

[AuburnBuckeye]

Originally Posted by osubartender23

So to get this straight upsets that happen in the regular season dont really matter but those in the playoffs do? So whats the point of playing the regular season if potential upsets dont matter? Why not just put the historically elite teams in a playoff and forego the regular season entirely? I see what you are trying to say with them mattering more in the playoffs, but that just doesnt jive.

That's not what I said AT ALL. BB said that the upsets wouldn't matter in the Reg. Season if a playoff was in place. I said they would if they happened in the playoffs.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by AuburnBuckeye

That wasn't an argument for change, that was an argument in defense of my own argument. Maybe read whats happening sometimes?

I have found in my time as a CFB fan that Big 10 fans tend to lean towards keeping the current system while most of the rest of the country leans the other way, so yes an OSU board would have more people for the current system.

I have found in my time as a CFB fan that Big Ten fans "get it" whereas the rest of the country doesn't think it through.

[zincfinger]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

It bothers me, and I don't like Auburn at all, other than when they gave us this gem:

Obviously, my point wasn't that everyone who favors a playoff is an Auburn fan, but do you think that situation would have bothered you a little more if you were an Auburn fan?

[AuburnBuckeye]

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

I have found in my time as a CFB fan that Big Ten fans "get it" whereas the rest of the country doesn't think it through.

I have found in my time that everyone has a bias for themselves.

[jwinslow]

Well, I'm not interested in "fair" as I've said.

I think you've made comments that would suggest differently, even if only in certain scenarios.

But, to answer your question, the BCS as a poll would be fine by me in selecting a champion. It takes human factors in to consideration (human polls) crunches data (computers) and achieves some result. I would "tweak" it if I could by not allowing polls before week X (say week 8, or some such) and I would also envision a "panel" of voters who were under some kind of criteria for their analysis/ranking. I won't outline what I think would be those criterion, but the point is, the polling system could be tightened up just as easy as creating a playoff.

That still doesn't explain how you can differentiate from 3 virtually deadlocked candidates in that race. Who would you have picked?

I think it would be a giant mess, and there's no good way to pick between them. Having them face off head to head is better than guessing based on incompatible evidence, even if it does leave out 1 worthy contender.

Correction - it wouldn't be just the SEC claim, it would be Alabama, the SEC (assuming Alabama was 7-5 or some such (bama would still claim the tite of course) and Notre Dame.

You don't see the problem with that kind of system?

[DaddyBigBucks]

Originally Posted by zincfinger

Obviously, my point wasn't that everyone who favors a playoff is an Auburn fan, but do you think that situation would have bothered you a little more if you were an Auburn fan?

This explains much of this thread, lately. As for Jwins, he just wants to sell playoff pictures. It's all about the benjamins for Jwins.

[zincfinger]

Originally Posted by DaddyBigBucks

So your argument in defense of an argument for change does not support change?

It supports Hope.

[osubartender23]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

I think it would be a giant mess, and there's no good way to pick between them. Having them face off head to head is better than guessing based on incompatible evidence, even if it does leave out 1 worthy contender.You don't see the problem with that kind of system?

So in a playoff how would you decide who gets to be the number 1 seed out of those same 3 teams? The teams still would face off head to head, but in a playoff system the #1 team has the perception of having an easier path to the NC game than say the #3 team would. I dont think either system really can come up with an ideal way to fix the problem here within.