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Old 07-02-2009, 12:45 PM
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Obviously, my point wasn't that everyone who favors a playoff is an Auburn fan, but do you think that situation would have bothered you a little more if you were an Auburn fan?
Sure. I also think people will be singing a different tune if it happens to OSU, which is quite possible given the reputation of OSU, the big ten and the B12/SEC.

With the talent & hype around the SEC, I think it's possible to see three teams like Bama, Oklahoma and OSU go undefeated in 2010... and watch OSU sit at home.

Auburn was left at home because they had a mediocre OOC schedule. Miami was supposed to prevent that possibility, but they're pretty mediocre at this point.
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Old 07-02-2009, 12:46 PM
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I don't see Bama going undefeated, JMO. Because of the OL.
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So in a playoff how would you decide who gets to be the number 1 seed out of those same 3 teams? The teams still would face off head to head, but in a playoff system the #1 team has the perception of having an easier path to the NC game than say the #3 team would. I dont think either system really can come up with an ideal way to fix the problem here within.
I've been a proponent of a 4-team playoff, using semi finals built around two BCS bowls. Keep the rest of the system intact, and add an Indy BCS bowl if need be to supply the cash to fuel such a move.

It protects the 'one loss can ruin your season' greatness that CFB has now. A team could still make the top-4 with a loss to Stanford/Oregon St, but so did the current system (both 06 & 07 for USC).

I think it covers the vast majority of the worthy contenders that were snubbed. Auburn, Texas 08, USC 03.

It gives us three compelling, elite matchups on paper. What happens in those is anyone's guess, but we'd see the SEC actually face USC.
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Old 07-02-2009, 12:53 PM
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I don't see Bama going undefeated, JMO. Because of the OL.
I'm talking 2010, which is potentially Pryor's last year on campus. You can replace Bama with Florida or LSU if you'd like... the general point is the same.

The system is set up to exclude a 3rd party, and at this point, I think you'd have a hard time convincing folks that OSU deserves any benefit of the doubt over a B12/SEC team. The performances of Troy Smith & Todd Boeckman can very well hurt the rating of Pryor's squad... particularly if they don't fully hit their stride until later this season (after losing to USC).
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Sure. I also think people will be singing a different tune if it happens to OSU, which is quite possible given the reputation of OSU, the big ten and the B12/SEC...
As I said at the start of this tangent...
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...while I don't think that's objectively the right way to go about it, if I'm being honest, maybe I'd feel somewhat inclined in that direction if that had happened to OSU.
Although it should be noted that what we're talking about here is an undefeated BCS team getting left out. That has happened one time, and likely to happen very infrequently, since it requires 3 undefeated BCS teams. So yeah, I'd be [censored]ed if an undefeated OSU team gets left out, but it's a very low probability event (and despite all the sniping, I don't believe an undefeated OSU would ever get left out for a 1-loss anybody). If a 1-loss OSU gets left out, hey that's happened already. It's disappointing, but they shouldn't have lost.
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Give me a system that isn't.
I'm not looking for one because with 100+ teams, there isn't such an animal. But you're the one stating that the current system is a popularity contest. I'm just making it clear that your arguement is a red herring.
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I think you've made comments that would suggest differently, even if only in certain scenarios.
I think you've misunderstood me then. I was saying that "fair" is a word Playoff proponents use and I then demonstrated why I believe it's specious of them to do so.

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That still doesn't explain how you can differentiate from 3 virtually deadlocked candidates in that race. Who would you have picked?

I think it would be a giant mess, and there's no good way to pick between them. Having them face off head to head is better than guessing based on incompatible evidence, even if it does leave out 1 worthy contender.You don't see the problem with that kind of system?
There are several ways to differentiate between 3 otherwise like teams.

I could personally - all by myself - declare a National Champion if I wanted to. I might even be able to support my selection with reason.

I could get a bunch of sports writers together and have a poll.

I could have multiple polls and find an average ranking...

I could do the BCS

I could have a playoff.

the point I'm making is none of these proposals is any more or less legitimate (my "personal" poll aside, of course). You say "having them face off" is better, but you don't support it with rationale. You simply say it and assume I'll agree.

But, I don't agree. My reason for not agreeing is not that doing so is an illegitimate way to do it. It's that if we do it that way, it comes at a cost I am unwilling to pay - the devaluation of the Regular Season.

Controversy doesn't bother me. I like it, actually. It's July 2, and he we are talking about College Football.. how is that not awesome?
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When your team isn't allowed to play for a title.

The SEC & B12 have to lose for OSU to have a shot at the title, no matter how well Pryor's squad plays this year.


A week 4/5 start to the polls would be a step in the right direction, but still not fix the built in advantages for OU, Texas & Florida this fall.
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Sure. I also think people will be singing a different tune if it happens to OSU, which is quite possible given the reputation of OSU, the big ten and the B12/SEC.
I assure you, if an undefeated Ohio State is left out because Ohio State scheduled Youngstown State, it's not the BCS I'll be [censored]ed at.
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When your team isn't allowed to play.
Yes.

And... my team is allowed to play. I see no shame in winning the Fiesta Bowl. It's still important to me. To you, it's not. So be it.
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I assure you, if an undefeated Ohio State is left out because Ohio State scheduled Youngstown State, it's not the BCS I'll be [censored]ed at.
How about if they're left out because Ohio State scheduled Miami in Pryor's 2010 run?

Even with scheduling superpower USC, OSU still needs two of OU, Texas & UF to lose to reach the big dance.
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Yes.

And... my team is allowed to play. I see no shame in winning the Fiesta Bowl. It's still important to me. To you, it's not. So be it.
I like fiesta bowl wins when I don't think OSU is the best team in football. I like them when OSU has already lost a game or two. I don't like them when OSU is undefeated and capable of beating anyone in the country, whether by dominating on D or scorching folks with O (perhaps with Pryor)

OSU isn't OSU if all they were winning was Rose Bowls & Fiesta Bowls. The national championships put them in the rarefied air.
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How about if they're left out because Ohio State scheduled Miami in Pryor's 2010 run?

Even with scheduling superpower USC, OSU still needs two of OU, Texas & UF to lose to reach the big dance.
You're speculating. I might as well say "If OSU beats USC 75-0 they'll be a clear #1 and control their own destiny.

You're playing the "Ohio State is disrepected in the media" card and expecting me to worry about that. I cant, and I wont.
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I like fiesta bowl wins when I don't think OSU is the best team in football. I like them when OSU has already lost a game or two. I don't like them when OSU is undefeated and capable of beating anyone in the country, whether by dominating on D or scorching folks with O (perhaps with Pryor)

OSU isn't OSU if all they were winning was Rose Bowls & Fiesta Bowls. The national championships put them in the rarefied air.
You don't know that. It's never happened in your life time.

I grew up when going to Pasadena was reward enough.. when winning the Big 10 was reward enough. Yes, it sure feels good to win the NC... but, I refuse to devalue the rest of the season for it.
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