College Playoff

[akronbuck]

Originally Posted by 23Skidoo

16 teams is ridiculous, to me, because if somebody told me Rutgers, VT, Wake Forest, WVU, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and ND deserved a shot at the NC -- I'd have a real hard time not laughing in their face.

well, the other football colleges do it. Can you understand that. I know it is funny because, most those teams would get killed but, there might be a USC/UCLA game in the first round. Heck, it could be only a 4 or,,,, but, anything is better then the BCSUCKY

Should be a playoff period somehow and if ARCHIE GRIFFIN THINKS SO TO THEN, IT WILL COME SOMEDAY. That meant a lot when he was giving playoffs a positive on mike/mike today. Usually, those have that type of power at any college have to watch what they say.

[23Skidoo]

Originally Posted by akronbuck

well, the other football colleges do it. Can you understand that. I know it is funny because, most those teams would get killed but, there might be a USC/UCLA game in the first round. Heck, it could be only a 4 or,,,, but, anything is better then the BCSUCKY

Just saying that everyone else does it, doesn't make for a convincing argument.

[Saw31]

Originally Posted by akronbuck

if its so ridiculous for the big boys to do it then please explain why everyother playoff system in college works for those non-schollie student/athletes but, wouldn't work for D. 1.

If its so bad cut the 12 schedule to 10 before, the playoffs but, thats kinda funny that the youngstown state and mount unions can do it.

Uh, below is why...Let me know when YSU or Mount Union plays for $17 million...Until then, mentioning D1AA and Div. III has no relevance whatsoever to this discussion, none...

From BB73's thread...

BOWL PAYOUT BREAKDOWN
Bowl.......................................Per team payout
Poinsettia..................................$750,0 00
Pioneer PureVision Las Vegas........$950,000
R+L Carriers New Orleans.............$325,000
Papajohns.com...........................$300,000
New Mexico...............................$750,000
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces..........$600,000
Sheraton Hawaii..........................$398,000
Motor City.................................$750,000
Emerald....................................$850,00 0
PetroSun Independence.............$1.1 million
Texas......................................$500,00 0 for Big East, $750,000 for Big 12
Pacific Life Holiday....................$2.2 million
Gaylord Hotels Music City...........$1.6 million
Brut Sun.................................$1.9 million
AutoZone Liberty.....................$1.5 million
Insight...................................$1.2 million
Champs Sports.......................$2.25 million
Meineke Car Care......................$750,000
Alamo....................................$2.2 million
Chick-fil-A.............................$3.25 million for ACC, $2.4 million for SEC
MPC Computers........................$250,000
Outback.................................$3 million
AT&T Cotton...........................$3 million
Toyota Gator.........................$2.25 million
Capital One...........................$4.25 million
Rose......................................$17 million **
Tostitos Fiesta.........................$17 million ***
FedEx Orange...........................$17 million
Allstate Sugar...........................$17 million *,**
International.............................$750,000
GMAC......................................$750,000
Tostitos BCS Championship..........$17 million*

Notre Dame will receive $4.5 million per BCS rule;
**Second teams from conferences receive $4.5 million per BCS rule;
***Boise State estimates it will receive around $3.5 million after sharing with five non-guaranteed conferences. (Figures could vary pending ticket sales.)Sources: Conferences, bowls, teams, wire reports

[akronbuck]

Originally Posted by Saw31

Uh, below is why...Let me know when YSU or Mount Union plays for $17 million...Until then, mentioning D1AA and Div. III has no relevance whatsoever to this discussion, none...

From BB73's thread...

THE Bowls would still have to be involved somehow, so the money would still be there if not more. SO whats your point ,not as much money for all those 6 or 7 win teams. If there not good enough tomake the playoffs to bad.
RECRUIT BETTER

[OCBucksFan]

Originally Posted by akronbuck

THE Bowls would still have to be involved somehow, so the money would still be there if not more. SO whats your point ,not as much money for all those 6 or 7 win teams. If there not good enough tomake the playoffs to bad.
RECRUIT BETTER

With the limited television some of those 6 or 7 win teams get it's not exactly easy to recruit better. If you're a player and you can go to a WaC team who gets on TV maybe once a year, or a Big10 team who gets on TV every week, who are you going to choose?

[akronbuck]

Originally Posted by OCBucksFan

With the limited television some of those 6 or 7 win teams get it's not exactly easy to recruit better. If you're a player and you can go to a WaC team who gets on TV maybe once a year, or a Big10 team who gets on TV every week, who are you going to choose?

Great point it would kill some teams but, then again that 85 schollies already killed the top programs from recruiting so many. So they can still get some top players.

[CookyPuss]

I posted a system over in the poll tread LINK post #120 which is a 10 team playoff format using the BCS bowl sites and leaving the other bowls intact. It's kind of quirky because you have to give the #1 and #2 seeds a double bye. Not that they would ever do this, just throwing it out ther for comment.

[23Skidoo]

Originally Posted by akronbuck

THE Bowls would still have to be involved somehow, so the money would still be there if not more. SO whats your point ,not as much money for all those 6 or 7 win teams. If there not good enough tomake the playoffs to bad.
RECRUIT BETTER

The point is that those 6 and 7 - win teams have to agree to the system, and essentially telling them 'tough luck' isn't going to win them over.

[akronbuck]

Originally Posted by 23Skidoo

The point is that those 6 and 7 - win teams have to agree to the system, and essentially telling them 'tough luck' isn't going to win them over.

very true. I'm for the playoffs just because, THE BCS IS A JOKE but, I posted it BEFORE, that the presidents will NEVER GIVE IT THE OK and that makes me sick.

[Saw31]

Did you even read this thread? This has all been explained a few pages back...

Originally Posted by akronbuck

THE Bowls would still have to be involved somehow, so the money would still be there if not more. SO whats your point ,not as much money for all those 6 or 7 win teams. If there not good enough tomake the playoffs to bad.
RECRUIT BETTER

No they wouldn't. You are not going to get the smaller schools (conferences) to give up their spots (paydays) in these Bowls. Those teams need that money from those Bowls. They are not going to allow tOSU to use up 3 Bowl game slots to make a playoff run. Stop with this idea, it's never going to happen...Any playoff would have to be seperate from the Bowls at least until a Nat'l Championship game. These people are not going to just give up millions of dollars so some powerhouse football program or another can claim "True Champion". Why the [censored] do people think that if there was a better way to make money with the playoff system, it wouldn't already be in place? This is not brain surgery for crying out loud...

[23Skidoo]

Originally Posted by akronbuck

very true. I'm for the playoffs just because, THE BCS IS A JOKE but, I posted it BEFORE, that the presidents will NEVER GIVE IT THE OK and that makes me sick.

I've had this argument about a million times on other boards, and very rarely do people actually come up with a reason why the "BCS is a joke". It's almost entirely just a blanket statement people throw around, like SEC speed.
Is it that the system uses "silly computers", or the coaches voting, or the harris poll? Or is it that you presume that any post-season not involving a playoff with bogus wildcard contenders is illegit, by default, simply because the NFL, MLB, NBA, and CBB all do it?
And how is the BCS so inferior to the CBB "selection commitee"?

[akronbuck]

Originally Posted by Saw31

Did you even read this thread? This has all been explained a few pages back...




No they wouldn't. You are not going to get the smaller schools (conferences) to give up their spots (paydays) in these Bowls. Those teams need that money from those Bowls. They are not going to allow tOSU to use up 3 Bowl game slots to make a playoff run. Stop with this idea, it's never going to happen...Any playoff would have to be seperate from the Bowls at least until a Nat'l Championship game. These people are not going to just give up millions of dollars so some powerhouse football program or another can claim "True Champion". Why the [censored] do people think that if there was a better way to make money with the playoff system, it wouldn't already be in place? This is not brain surgery for crying out loud...

lets see would I respect archie griffin and a bunch of past buckeys players or someone like you

[akronbuck]

Originally Posted by 23Skidoo

I've had this argument about a million times on other boards, and very rarely do people actually come up with a reason why the "BCS is a joke". It's almost entirely just a blanket statement people throw around, like SEC speed.
Is it that the system uses "silly computers", or the coaches voting, or the harris poll? Or is it that you presume that any post-season not involving a playoff with bogus wildcard contenders is illegit, by default, simply because the NFL, MLB, NBA, and CBB all do it?
And how is the BCS so inferior to the CBB "selection commitee"?

just a true champion would be found on the field not by all the stuff they have done or do.

[23Skidoo]

Originally Posted by akronbuck

just a true champion would be found on the field not by all the stuff they have done or do.

Are you saying that we're not playing on a field on January 8th?
If by field you meant rice field, I suppose you're right. Yet another blanket statement with nothing behind it.

[Zurp]

The problem with playoffs is that it increases the chances that the "best" team won't win. Were the St Louis Cardinals the best team in baseball this year? With 83 wins? 85? (I don't remember how many wins they had, but I know that they just squeaked into the play-offs.)

With college football play-offs, Ohio State would have a chance to win a national championship. And so would Florida. And so would Michigan, and Notre Dame, and LSU, and however many more teams you want to involve. So what was the point of the regular season? Just to figure out how high each team's seed is? In other words, who cares that Ohio State just beat Michigan? Who cares that Ohio State beat Texas? Who cares that USC beat Notre Dame. And Florida beat Arkansas and Auburn beat Florida and on and on. Those games become relatively meaningless. "Instead of a 2 seed, we have to be a 5 seed. Oh well."

And then, with a play-off, the entire situation changes to become extremely important. NOW it's important to win all our games. NOW we can't lose. Last week, we lost. But we can't lose this week. And don't say that the last-place team will never beat the first-place team, because it's happened before - unranked Michigan State beat #1 Ohio State in 1998.

I'm sticking with my attitude that a play-off will only diminish the importance of the regular season.